Episode 945 - 2 Schools of Thought: Uniforms or Not
In this episode, Jeremy and Andrew do the next in their new series: 2 Schools of Thought. They take a topic and look at 2 different ways to do it, exploring pros and cons of both.
Uniforms or Not: 2 Schools of Thought - Episode 945
SUMMARY
In this episode, Jeremy and Andrew discuss the pros and cons of training in a traditional martial arts uniform versus something else. They explore the benefits of uniformity, such as setting behavior expectations and creating a sense of belonging. They also discuss the downsides, including the restriction of movement and the expense of purchasing multiple uniforms. Additionally, they touch on the importance of training in street clothes to understand the differences in mobility and footwear. Overall, they emphasize the importance of context and individual preference in choosing a training attire.
TAKEAWAYS
Wearing a traditional martial arts uniform can help set behavior expectations and create a sense of belonging.
Training in a uniform can restrict movement and may not be practical for real-life self-defense situations.
Training in street clothes is important to understand the differences in mobility and footwear.
The expense of purchasing multiple uniforms can be a downside.
Context and individual preference play a significant role in choosing a training attire.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction and Overview
02:07 Defining Traditional Martial Arts Uniform
06:14 Benefits of Uniformity
11:16 The Psychological Impact of Wearing a Uniform
18:40 Downsides of Training in a Traditional Uniform
23:54 The Importance of Belonging and Inclusion
29:18 Training in Street Clothes
32:38 Conclusion
After listening to the episode, it would be exciting for us to know your thoughts about it.
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Show Transcript
Jeremy (00:13.007)
Hello and welcome. You're tuned into another episode of Whistlekick, a martial arts radio. And on today's episode, Andrew and I are going to use our two schools of thought format to talk
training in a traditional martial arts style uniform or something else. Stick around, we'll talk about that. Of course, I said Andrew, I'm joined by my good friend, co -host, producer. You wear a lot of hats, my friend, Andrew Adams. Thanks for being here. Are you looking for a literal hat? Where is your
Andrew Adams (00:50.129)
Now looking for a hat. I don't have any hats in this room, but I do have lots of hats.
Jeremy (00:58.127)
I got a hat now.
Andrew Adams (00:59.791)
Okay, but I can't wear that one right
Andrew Adams (01:05.093)
Wouldn't it be so funny if I just had a hat and put it on?
Jeremy (01:07.981)
It would be really funny if we in time that. So.
Andrew Adams (01:12.314)
That bothered me. I always have that scared. Okay.
Jeremy (01:16.343)
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Andrew Adams (01:19.289)
Nope. Nope.
Jeremy (01:42.607)
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All right, Andrew, let's get into it. So two schools of thought, we're diving.
Andrew Adams (02:04.709)
Dive
Diving
Jeremy (02:10.671)
We're diving in. So let's break this down. So we're talking about what most karate schools might call a gi or a do gi. In Taekwondo, it might be called a do bak. And on the other side of the coin, we've got maybe shorts and t -shirts or some wind pants and a t -shirt. Is that kind of how we're framing this?
Andrew Adams (02:36.655)
That's how I'm thinking. I want to preface this by saying I've never studied any Chinese martial arts. So I don't know how uniform their styles do. if they have specific uniforms for different things, my experiences with Okinawan Japanese karate style. So yes, it would be a gi or taekwondo or it would be a do -bak or tang -tsu or whatever. But yeah, it's basically everybody wearing the same thing or not.
I mean, that's a simple.
Jeremy (03:07.097)
Well, I think that's a different question. And I think we need to get this out of the way first because there are plenty of martial arts schools that don't have a traditional uniform, but they do have uniformity in their
Andrew Adams (03:12.26)
Okay, cut.
Andrew Adams (03:19.525)
So I'm talking, I'm not talking everybody the same, meaning it's the same color. I'm talking everyone wearing a certain type of jacket and pants. Yeah. Yeah, but it could be, yeah, yeah, yeah, it could be, yeah, exactly.
Jeremy (03:31.651)
a traditional uniform versus something else. That's what we're talking
Okay, well, let's dig in. I grew up traditional uniform and that was it. had, you know, we trained, my original school, we trained in this very certainly non -air conditioned, poor airflow, old high school gymnasium where we couldn't open the windows.
And there were some really brutally hot days where, know, it be 90 plus outside. And so you can imagine what it was in that building after a few classes. And I think it happened a total of five times that I can, you know, roughly five times we were permitted to train in our gi pants and our t
Andrew Adams (04:25.529)
Yep. Yep. Yeah. And that we have very similar experiences with that. You wear a gi every single class. There were rare exceptions where you were allowed to wear a t -shirt, but you still had on your pants and your belt.
Jeremy (04:26.777)
So it was always geek.
Jeremy (04:47.961)
We had the rule that if you weren't wearing your gi top, you weren't wearing a belt. And I know some schools do that differently. I think that's outside the scope of this.
Andrew Adams (04:53.553)
So interesting.
Andrew Adams (04:58.179)
Yeah, I would agree. Our school, did. You wore your belt as well.
Andrew Adams (05:04.874)
the majority of the time we were wearing uniform, our gi, the whole
Jeremy (05:10.735)
Yeah. Now the schools I know that don't wear something that I think you or I would consider
conventionally traditional, right? Because you kind of opened the door there when you were talking about Chinese martial arts, right? We can track back, we can find some arts, I'm sure, did things a little bit differently where traditionally we trained in whatever we wore, or we trained in farmer's clothes, or whatever, right? Like, let's put that aside because that starts to stretch our understanding, and I don't think we need it for the purpose of this conversation.
Andrew Adams (05:37.68)
Yeah.
Jeremy (05:46.423)
We certainly aren't talking about the benefits of uniformity, right? Because if everybody's wearing the same t -shirt, you know, the school shirt and the school wind pants or whatever, right? Like that's uniform. It is a uniform. It is not a, what we would think of as a traditional uniform. We'll put that aside. So really we're talking
Andrew Adams (06:02.491)
Yeah, absolutely.
Jeremy (06:09.615)
tradition versus non -tradition. I think that's a good way to summarize
Andrew Adams (06:14.767)
Yeah, I think so. it's... I am not a fan of tradition for tradition's sake. Like, why do we do it this way? Because that's how we always do it. Okay, but why? Having said that though, I like the fact that we have this uniformity that we all wear the same thing.
Andrew Adams (06:40.347)
But I think it doesn't, you need to understand why you wear it and what that entails, you know?
Jeremy (06:47.341)
I think one of my favorite reasons for having
a that you would not wear out and about in the world. think there are a couple things. One, it's the same argument I've heard made about private school uniforms. Puts everybody on the same page. Nobody, you know, if everybody has to wear the same thing, nobody's judging anybody else for what they
Andrew Adams (07:15.577)
Yep, I'll tell, I want you to keep going, but I'll have a story about
Jeremy (07:20.847)
And to the fact that it is different creates a line between training and non training which Isn't always a good thing, know, we've talked about this idea that you know training needs to be brought out into the world and everything But after many years of putting on a martial arts uniform It puts me in a different mode. I Don't have to work very hard
I guess be ready to train because just putting on that uniform brings back all these years of training and I become ready. It's my super suit as our friend Craig likes to
Andrew Adams (08:03.985)
No, absolutely. And so I, for those that don't know, I worked in a private school for a number of years. And I grew up in public school where you can wear whatever you want. And when I started working at this private school, they didn't, they actually didn't have a uniform, but they did have a very strict dress code. So all the boys had to wear a shirt, a button down dress shirt with a tie.
couldn't wear jeans, you had to wear some sort of not, I don't wanna say dress, quote unquote dress pants, but they had to be khakis or dockers or like something, yeah, not denim. And it couldn't even be like the dark black denim, like no denim. All of the girls had to wear a shirt with a collar, a blouse with a collar, or it could be a dress, but it had to have so many, the sleeves had to be so long. Like there was a dress code, but it wasn't a uniform.
Jeremy (08:42.306)
Not
Andrew Adams (09:03.717)
and I came from a public school background growing up and I thought this is dumb. But I work here now so I have to enforce it, that's fine. After a couple months, the school had what's called a dress down day where they would raise money for some charity and you could come to school dressed in anything you wanted. I mean, there were still, couldn't have profanities on your shirts and stuff, but you could wear jeans and a t -shirt.
but you had to pay a dollar, right? And so they would collect this money and we'd go to charity, which is great. I absolutely noticed a difference in behavior on the days that the kids had dress down days. And it really got me thinking. And here's my question to you, Jeremy, and you in the audience, you answer for yourself. Jeremy, when you were a kid, when did you have to wear a shirt and
Jeremy (10:02.063)
Sports games, right? If we had an away game for soccer, I had to wear a shirt and tie.
to my bar mitzvah. Funerals and weddings.
Andrew Adams (10:17.275)
Correct. And my answer would have for me, weddings and funerals, anytime I went to church, which we were not a big church going family, but if we went to church, we put on a shirt and tie, all of those times are times where you have to be well behaved. You're expected to be well behaved.
Jeremy (10:35.663)
Absolutely. I didn't know where you were going with that at first, I saw it about halfway. I completely agree. There's an expectation of behavior that connects with that style of dress.
Andrew Adams (10:42.66)
And so.
Andrew Adams (10:46.415)
That's exactly correct. And so, and I thought about this a lot when my brother started working full -time remote from home, he realized pretty early on that, shoot, when I get up to go to work, quote unquote work, I mean, he's working, but go to work is just, he goes to his downstairs office. I can't do that in my pajamas. have to put a, so he would actually put on a shirt and tie to go to work downstairs. And it's that mindset.
of being in this uniform for my brother or for at the school, it was a shirt and tie, in the dojo, for me, karate dojo, it's putting on my gi, it definitely changes my frame of mind. And I think that's an important thing to not overlook.
Jeremy (11:34.927)
Behavior is very very closely tied to environment and if you want the best proof of that anyone who as an adult has been on a Charter vehicle that happened to be a Public school bus, even if it wasn't an actual public school bus if it was a yellow bus You can watch people in their 30s 40s 50s 60s completely regress to Childish behavior. It is fascinating
And so I think we are at the first place where you and I, you know, we certainly agree and we find value in a traditional martial arts uniform in that by wearing it, it gives us the ability to reframe behavior. Once that uniform is on, once the belt is on, you are expected to act in a certain
Andrew Adams (12:21.137)
Mm -hmm.
Andrew Adams (12:30.415)
Yeah, yeah. So that's certainly some benefit to having a uniform. Are there other benefits? You mentioned as well that with a uniform at a private school, the not getting judged at all because everyone's wearing the same thing. I think that's an important part of it, too. Everyone is wearing the same thing, so there's no...
quote unquote hierarchy in terms of clothing other than our belt system, which is separate.
Jeremy (13:02.607)
I would look at it as, know, let's, so, you know, we talk often about my school in these more recent episodes, last year or so of episodes. We have classes one day a week. Looks like that's changing to two days a week. So this might start to shift a little bit, but for the folks coming one day a week, they've got a week to wash their gi. They don't have to worry, you know, this is the gi I wore last
Andrew Adams (13:23.845)
Yep. Yep.
Jeremy (13:30.255)
If I show up with this gi again, I'm gonna feel funny. In fact, almost all of my students have one gi. Great, works out pretty well, right? So it just, it's, we live in a world where there's so much to think about and worry about and plan out. And this is one thing you don't.
Andrew Adams (13:53.667)
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Are there other benefits to having a uniform that you can think of?
Jeremy (14:02.445)
there are different drills and movements that you're going to do. For anybody that runs any kind of grappling, whether it's a standup Japanese jujitsu or groundwork or anything, you know that a lot of that curriculum, if you start trying to implement that with a t -shirt and shorts, your best case scenario is that it's gonna get stretched
It could rip. It's not built for that. And that's why no -ghee BJJ has taken on kind of its own uniform. Originally it was just meant to be, my understanding, not wearing a gi and no -ghee became a certain type of uniform in its own right.
I like when my students, not all my students wear gees. That's a whole other subject we could get into. I don't think it's really appropriate now. But bottom line, my students, they don't wear a belt if they don't wear a gi. I have one yellow belt student who just doesn't wear a gi. She's got a belt. I gave her a belt. She just, it's not important to her. That's fine. There are certain movements that just don't work the same.
Andrew Adams (15:14.032)
Yep. Yep.
Andrew Adams (15:18.821)
Yeah. Yeah.
Jeremy (15:19.831)
And as we progress in our curriculum, as things become more advanced, there's going to be stuff where it's going to be like, I can't show you this. You don't have a collar, right? Like I can grab your t -shirt. It's just not the same as, I mean, even your hoodie, you're wearing a hoodie for those that are listening versus watching. Andrew's got a dragon hoodie on. Is that the Cathy one?
Andrew Adams (15:40.975)
Nope, this is the purple. Purple one.
Jeremy (15:42.841)
That's the problem. Okay. I can't, I couldn't quite tell. I could still manipulate like a, collar choke on that sweatshirt in a way that I just can't in this t
Andrew Adams (15:52.901)
Yep, yeah, absolutely. The one I was going to go to was, you hit it in your chat there was just durability. It's it's not as durable. I can do some of those chokes, like you said, on that t -shirt, and I can modify it to make it work, but you're not going to want to wear that t -shirt afterwards, as opposed to a...
uniform, a gi, which not all of them are made of heavy, heavy canvas, but they're still going to be thicker, stronger material than a t -shirt. So I think that's a benefit as well.
Jeremy (16:31.415)
One of the things that happens
Newer martial artists might not realize this they might initially find this to be a surprise because I remember when I Somebody explained this to me as a kid. I was initially surprised the idea that a heavyweight uniform Up until the point where it is completely soaked with sweat is actually cooler Than a lighter weight one because that's gonna get soaked faster So what I do is I'll wear a polyester t -shirt on a hot day because where we train has no AC and very little airflow
I'll wear a polyester tee under a heavyweight gi. And that combination, I stay relatively cool. And I'll work with my students and they're they're soaked through because they're wearing lighter weight uniforms. So there, I see that as a benefit because you're probably not showing, you probably, I don't think very many people own a heavyweight cotton canvas sweatshirt or long sleeve shirt.
Andrew Adams (17:18.363)
Yeah, exactly.
Andrew Adams (17:37.562)
Yeah, you're right.
Jeremy (17:37.819)
There's something about the fact that it's cotton that makes a difference.
Andrew Adams (17:42.597)
Yeah, for sure.
Jeremy (17:45.839)
So there's an upside.
Andrew Adams (17:47.663)
Yeah, so let's talk about some of the downsides of having uniform. The first one I can think of is our gi pants give lots of mobility, but I rarely wear my gi pants outside of class.
And I think the biggest one that we would both agree on is that right there. That when we have to utilize our art in an actual ability to defend ourselves out on the street, we're not gonna have, we're not gonna be at bare feet. We're not gonna have our gi pants on. Our mobility is going to be restricted. So if we only train in a uniform when we have to utilize it, I think that can be a little more challenging.
Jeremy (18:40.975)
We've talked about this a number of times, the fact that we both agree training in your street clothes, the clothing that you are most likely to get into an altercation in from time to time and understanding the differences between that uniform and your street clothes is rather important. Specifically footwear, think, is the most important piece.
Jeremy (19:07.137)
if you're only ever training in your traditional uniform, I'm not gonna say it's false confidence, but I think it's false context for how you are going to move when, where, how you need and want
Andrew Adams (19:17.668)
Yeah, that's
Andrew Adams (19:25.593)
Yeah, yeah, I would agree. I would agree because it is very, very different. And that's not. I don't want to go to the extreme and never train in uniform and doing moves in high heels, I'm sure is incredibly different than in bare feet. I don't know. I've not worn high heels, but I can imagine it's very, very different. I'm sure the women in the audience are not in their heads profusely. Yeah, of course, it's going to be different.
So that's definitely a downside to it. Depending on how often you train, here's another downside. You might need multiple uniforms, multiple geese. Absolutely.
Jeremy (20:06.947)
there can be an expense there, right? So if you're someone who is really passionate and let's say you're training two, three hours a day and maybe you're training three, four, five, I mean, we've certainly talked to plenty of people on the show who train six, seven days a week. You're probably gonna need, even if you're really good at getting that laundry turned over, at least what, three uniforms,
Andrew Adams (20:32.877)
at
Jeremy (20:35.291)
And there's an expense there. There's time there, right? Like that versus, you know, a heavyweight gi, even a medium weight gi, dobok, et cetera. The weight on that, you know, if you've ever had two or three heavyweight uniforms in a top load washing machine that got off center, you know, just those uniforms versus the rest of your laundry, right? The rest of the laundry
Andrew Adams (20:37.222)
Yep.
Andrew Adams (21:01.157)
Yeah. Yep.
Jeremy (21:04.057)
hold a candle to what those weigh when they're fully wet. there's, yeah, there's some time and expense there for
Andrew Adams (21:12.657)
And I think the financial aspect you have to keep in mind, even the super cheap, cheap, cheap keys, which I have no problem with. Most of mine are because, you know, I'm a self -employed musician, so I don't have a lot of disposable income. You're looking at $40 to $50 for a cheap key.
If you're looking to get a nicer weight, heavier weight key, you're looking at $75 heavy weight key. Nice, really nice. You're looking at a hundred, sometimes $200. And yeah. So, and I just recently took, you know, I have all my uniforms. I had four or five geese all with my school patch on it. Well, I've now left that school. So some of those patches I can unsew, but some of them were, were he were ironed on. So
Jeremy (21:44.345)
to you.
Andrew Adams (22:04.599)
I basically can't wear that uniform now. I have to buy a bunch of more uniforms and put it on the new patch for the new school that I'm training in. That's more expense. So I think that can't be not talked about or thought of as well.
Jeremy (22:19.823)
And my recommendation to folks out there who might be rapidly progressing into, hey, this is something I love and I want to do it often, start with cheap ones and just periodically replace, right? If you've been to a Whistlekick event in probably the last five years, you've probably seen me wear a heavyweight black, it's actually an Aikijitsu gi. That gi...
I've had it for 15 years and it was handed off to me by somebody else. It's probably 20 to 25 years old. Other than the black is a little gray at this point, you wouldn't know. It's an awesome, awesome geek. And it's one of those things that when you, you know, buy once, cry once sort of a thing. So just keep replacing. Doesn't mean I don't have others.
Andrew Adams (23:04.953)
Yeah, exactly.
Andrew Adams (23:10.635)
Yeah. So other other downsides to the uniform.
Jeremy (23:15.539)
There's a big one we haven't talked about and it's just as it can help set behavior and help people feel like this is where I am, this is how I act. What about the people who start and they don't have it yet? There's a reason that a lot of martial arts schools as part of the introductory class give away a uniform or they wrap it into the cost because they want people to feel like they belong, like they're not separate and
Andrew Adams (23:29.038)
Exactly.
Andrew Adams (23:44.215)
Exactly, Yeah, there's definitely that I'm not good enough sort of mentality, like everyone else has one and I don't and I feel left
Jeremy (23:54.839)
It's the team jersey. It's the team colors, the team hat. It's the varsity pin. It's the jacket. It's the basketball team shoes, right? There's a solidarity, especially when you come in from the outside and you don't understand the movements. You see the colored belts and maybe you can say, looks like that person's more competent than that person. But you don't really have a good understanding of what's happening to say,
Andrew Adams (23:56.463)
Yep, yep, exactly.
Jeremy (24:23.755)
I can see the differences. Almost everything you see is the same. And the most readily visible symbol of uniformity, the uniform, you don't have. And when, go ahead.
Andrew Adams (24:37.635)
Exactly. It's the team jersey and you showed up wanting to be on the team, but you're not good enough yet.
Jeremy (24:46.531)
and you don't have the jersey yet, which can make people feel left out. And we don't want people to feel left out. Right? And so that's kind of where, you know, a little bit of an aside, that's why it works pretty well at my school. We have students who do and who don't, and we just don't make a big thing about it. So when someone starts, they see people who, I mean, my students, regardless of what they're wearing, line up in their spot. Right? So we've got people who line up, you know, ahead of other people.
Andrew Adams (24:51.409)
Correct. Yep.
Jeremy (25:18.009)
who are wearing uniforms. And I know for a lot of people that would be really weird. That's a whole other different subject that we could get into. We're not going there now.
Andrew Adams (25:22.143)
Hehehehehe
Jeremy (25:28.439)
Anything else we want to put on the table with this?
Andrew Adams (25:30.745)
I think not in terms of uniform, but I do think we should talk about wearing, like not having uniform, like what are the pros and cons of not having uniform?
Jeremy (25:42.639)
cheaper, easier to launder. know, one of the things that I hear from a lot of martial arts schools is availability, right? man, we've got to get these uniforms, maybe you have them patched or printed with your logo or something. That's not something that you can just order online and have delivered tomorrow. Maybe you can,
Andrew Adams (25:44.784)
Yep.
Andrew Adams (26:05.359)
Yeah. Yeah. I'm putting it in order. Who wants to
Jeremy (26:10.925)
you certainly don't have the availability, right? Versus, you know, if you're wearing a school t -shirt as part of your uniform, if that's the thing that ties everyone together, well, you can, you know, even if you're in a fairly small town, you can probably drive an hour and get half a dozen places that can print t -shirts
Andrew Adams (26:29.681)
Yep, exactly. Yep. And it has become, the printing of stuff has become so much easier in the, even in the last 10 years. Uh, mean, I have sitting behind me right here for those that are watching, have to, you can see it. If you're only listening, have to envision what I'm pointing at, but it's a heat press. I can do my own t -shirts for myself
Jeremy (26:32.249)
lot more
Andrew Adams (26:54.425)
Now I'm going to be able to do my own school's uniforms. We don't have to print patches. Give me your gi top. I can put the logo right on it, right on the chest or something on the back for whatever. Our school probably won't do that, but I could. You don't even need to go to a t -shirt place.
Jeremy (27:14.457)
Lots of options. Now, if your school does do t -shirts, you might design a shirt where you tell people, hey, you know what? You have to wear this to training. But if you want to wear it out and about, I wouldn't mind that. Maybe it's advertising. Maybe there's an aspect of that.
Andrew Adams (27:29.143)
Yeah.
Andrew Adams (27:33.822)
Yep. But I think that's about it that I can think of. Is there anything that you can think of that we're missing?
Jeremy (27:49.315)
I think the last thing that we haven't really talked about is, and again, what happened with a newer student, wearing a uniform is weird. It's strange, it's foreign. And if you have someone, especially if it's someone who is reluctant, like the parents are really encouraging a child, and let's face it, I've never put on a martial arts uniform that I would call conventionally comfortable.
Andrew Adams (28:18.939)
Yeah.
Jeremy (28:20.219)
They're comfortable because I'm used to them, but if I compare the fabric and the way it feels versus just about everything else I own, not quite as comfortable.
Andrew Adams (28:28.303)
Yeah, especially if it's a new gi that's never been worn
Jeremy (28:34.351)
When I do get a new heavyweight one, just as an aside for everyone, it stays in the washer, in the dryer for a while. I do not try to wear that right away. I wash it with way too much fabric softener and I dry it on low until it is bone dry, yes low, and then it goes back in the wash with the next wash and yeah. It took my most recent belt.
I think that was about 15 washes before I could wear it. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's it. I think that's all I got. You we might have some folks out there who have some thoughts, and I'd certainly love to hear from them.
Andrew Adams (29:18.981)
As will I.
Jeremy (29:20.969)
We've got the Facebook group, Martial Arts Radio, Facebook page, I keep calling it a group. We retired the group by apologies. The Facebook page, Martial Arts Radio. Of course, you can leave comments at whistlekickmartialartsradio .com. If you've got private comments, you can let Andrew or I know, Andrew at whistlekick .com or social media is at whistlekick and we post this stuff everywhere. So if you have other stuff to add, we want to hear it. And of course, if you have a subject for conversation around this two schools of thought,
Context right? What are we doing with this? We're taking the conventional martial arts arguments You should do this. You shouldn't do that and we're approaching it in a more balanced healthy Less arrogant way and I know a lot of you out there really enjoying that so I'm glad that we have the ability to do it Anything else we should tell before we call
Andrew Adams (30:13.145)
No, think that's good.
Jeremy (30:15.503)
All right, well, thanks for being here, everyone. We appreciate you. Reach out if we can do anything. Until next time, train hard, smile, and have a great day. Have a great day. That was so bad. You pointed at yourself, and I still went.
Andrew Adams (30:24.571)
Smile. Have a great day!
Jeremy (30:40.384)
How many people watch to the end now just to see us how we do that? Probably a few.
Andrew Adams (30:45.441)
I don't know, because we don't do it at every one, but the recent ones, we have had a handful of fun things at the end.
Jeremy (30:51.907)
Yeah. Yeah.