Episode 918- Guro Carlito Bonjoc
In today's episode Jeremy sits down in person and chats with Guro Carlito Bonjoc on his entry into martial arts, as well as his love of spreading Filipino martial arts.Guro Carlito Bonjoc - Episode 918
SUMMARY
In this conversation, Jeremy interviews Guro Carlito Bonjoc, a practitioner and teacher of Filipino martial arts. They discuss the history and significance of Filipino martial arts, Carlito's personal journey in the martial arts world, the importance of unity within the Filipino martial arts community, and the impact of martial arts on personal growth and overcoming challenges. Carlito emphasizes the value of hard work, a sense of humor, and the willingness to fail in order to succeed. He also shares his plans for the future, including writing a book and expanding his social media presence.
TAKEAWAYS
* Filipino martial arts have a rich history and are an important part of Filipino culture, promoting unity and understanding within the community.
* Carlito Bonjoc's personal journey in the martial arts world, overcoming challenges and embracing his disability, serves as an inspiration to others.
* The value of hard work, a sense of humor, and the willingness to fail in order to succeed are emphasized.
* Teaching and coaching in martial arts is about helping students achieve their goals and bringing out the best in them.
* Carlito's future plans include writing a book and expanding his social media presence to continue impacting people's lives.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction and Conversation Format
04:02 Carlito's Personal Journey and Overcoming Challenges
07:28 Training with Angel Cabalas and Becoming a Teacher
11:01 Training in Angel Cabalas' School and the Sense of Community
14:22 Carlito's Motivation and Love for Martial Arts
21:49 The Applicability of Filipino Martial Arts and Understanding Personal Limits
25:47 The Filipino Martial Arts Community and Cultural Elements
30:07 The Personal Nature of Martial Arts and Embracing Differences
34:21 Overcoming Health Challenges and Appreciating Life
40:17 Advice for Martial Artists: Embrace Failure and Keep Showing Up
Show Notes
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Show Transcript
Jeremy (00:00.306)
interviews the way a lot of people do interviews. Okay. I don't sit here with a list of questions. I don't have an agenda. I have conversations. Okay. And so I like conversations. This is meant to be a conversation, but you're going to do most of the talking. Okay. Because it's not about me. It's about you. Okay. Are there are there subjects that are important to you that you want to make sure we get to so I can kind of steer us there? Well, I
I promote the Filipino martial arts. And so that's part of my culture. Sure. But you know, I like the idea of having part of my culture to be able to bring people closer to the understanding of the way we...
think of our martial arts in the Filipino community. And then if they can understand that, then maybe they can understand our community better. And so the whole idea is to bring unity. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. So I'm from Stockton, California. Andrew, are we rolling? Oh, we are. Oh, great. OK. I'm from Stockton, California. And for many years, I've been
years, Stockton was the mecca of Filipinos in the Filipino community. Filipinos came to the Samoakim Valley to work in agriculture. They also came to Hawaii, so the two places were Stockton and Hawaii. And these young warriors who are just field workers.
They brought their martial arts with them and they were practicing that in secret for many years and then eventually in the early 60s, it started to come up and the person that was accredited for bringing it out in stock, one of the first ones to teach here in the United States publicly was Angel Cabalas and they said he officially opened his school in
Jeremy (02:24.532)
1966 or 65, but then he was teaching way before that. But the difference was that he was teaching not just in the Filipino community or Filipino children, he was teaching everybody. He brought it out to the open. This is interesting to me because it's so much earlier than my understanding of Filipino martial arts being in the West. It seems like more...
just the way people talk about it, it seemed like a much newer thing, but... Yeah, I think it's just because it wasn't as popular as the other martial arts. I mean, you had judo that became an Olympic sport, so... And then people wanted to do karate, and then into the 60s and the 70s, and then you had Bruce Lee into kung fu, and... Yeah, but... Yeah, so Filipino martial arts were kind of...
kind of rare and plus it's mainly it's it's
when you it starts with the weapon first right so most of us practice with the weapon first and then the then we transition into empty hand so uh so it's a little different because it's it's a that part of the world malaysia indonesia philippines does a a bladed culture and uh so they knew how to use a blade and uh so but for many years they would use uh uh at least mostly in the philippines they would use a rattan stick or
And then it kind of came into some of the style became more of a stick fighting and got away from the sword. The other ones still maintain some of that sword mindset, even with the practice with a stick. How did you get started? You know, I grew up with a disability. I was born with spina bifida. So my paralysis was
Jeremy (04:31.396)
My left leg was paralyzed and I had a deformity on my right foot. And so I walked with a limp and I couldn't run fast and so I walked with a limp. When I grew up in the Philippines...
the kids you me my cousins or my friends so they just you miss carlito and uh... so in nineteen's because of political reasons economic reasons in the philippines my parents wanted to move to the united states my father was fortunate that he was born in hawaii uh... grandfather was part of those philippine or and uh... he uh... working away and then my father's morning
But then his father decided to move back to the Philippines. So when my father turned 18, he claimed his U .S. citizenship by birthright because he was born here. And that made his children animatic U .S. citizens. And so in 1972, we migrated here. And... How old were you at the time? I was 10.
about 10 years old. And so when we came here, I was a target man. You were Carlito with the limp. Yeah. Carlito with the limp. With the limp. And I barely spoke English, but I dressed different and I didn't know the culture. So I was like a nose, easy to pick on. Yeah. So.
But I just got picked on, got teased a lot, and they would actually steal my lunch money. And what was really tough is my parents were low income. They worked in agriculture first. And so the first jobs were in agriculture. And so they used to give us these lunch tickets. And so that was our free lunch. And so even though we have our free lunch,
Jeremy (06:47.236)
my mom would always give us a little extra so we can go buy some stuff at the school. And this kid would steal my lunch money and that's extra money that my parents provided for us and they worked hard for that. So my, I used to just cry because I didn't know how to fight back. And then my sister told me,
my dad and my dad she's older she's older and my my father and his friends started teaching me how to box
And so that was the beginning of my training. So they had trained in the Philippines? One of my instructors, Roy O 'Nour, he trained a little bit of boxing. He knew a little bit of boxing, so I don't know where he got that training from. But he was part of the the Bollywood Warriors in World War II with the American Army. And they were
and so he knew Eskimo from there and so he would train me. There were four of us in the backyard. There were brothers, myself and three brothers and then we would train with a stick and then he would train me in boxing. My father started to try to train me but...
I couldn't, my father didn't have a systematic way of training and I couldn't understand that and he would get upset easily so he kind of backed off and let Roy O 'Nour train me. And so, so, it didn't later on after Roy O 'Nour passed away, I heard of Angel Cabalas and... How old are you at this time? By this time I was in high school.
Jeremy (08:57.668)
school and and I wanted to I wanted to train with him and my when Roy passed away I was supposed to train with another teacher but somebody somebody killed a man and so so I was going to train with I wanted to train with Angel and my father told me no and we'll just continue training ourselves because he didn't know Angel. Okay. And so he only
wanted me to train with people he knew. So I convinced him to meet with him and they met and they found their fraternal brothers from different lodges. And so they hit it off and then my father gave me permission to train with him. And so that was from 1979 and that's when I started training with Angel Cabalus in 1979. Well you know that's a name that I've come to learn recently is kind of the name.
kind of the...
the first, it sounds like the first prominent name in the Filipino martial arts world in the US. Yes. Yeah. What, did you recognize at the time how significant that was? No, I had no idea at all. Yeah. The first time I seen him was on TV. He was doing a demonstration and I was just really, I just saw a small glimpse of what it was about, but I really, I recognized that it was something I wanted to do. And so it's close up.
it's very little movement and it's just fast. To me it was just fast. And when I was young I wanted to be fast. But it's a lot more than that. But I was really fortunate to have started training with him. What was it like training with him? It was a formal school. So we had
Jeremy (11:00.356)
We had a ranking system. We had t -shirts, uniforms. We bowed in. We have our culture of showing respect. And then, then it was just outright trading, man. It was hardcore. And so, Mono Angel led the class.
and the senior students, they help teach. And then once you feel that, once you're assigned an instructor, and once that instructor brings you to Mano Angel and have you review, then he does the correction. And then once everything's right, then you pass your test and go to the next rank. And you just do that until you finish.
Was the school exclusively people of Filipino descent? No, it was all mixed. Yeah, so that's why it was different. Because for a long time they would only teach it in the community. And this time it was just open to everybody. So we're talking about Angel as a visionary in more than one way, or at least ahead of his time. I would say so, yeah. He just felt everybody should learn it. He wanted people to learn us, the Filipino. And so when we think about your journey here,
what's kind of the next point where we should talk about? Well, I think that, I think within what's important for me,
Jeremy (12:52.21)
is unity. And so, you know, it's, I think it's not exclusive to the Filipino martial arts, but I love and practice Filipino martial arts, so I'm focused on that. And I just wish that we could, that all the different styles of Filipino martial arts could just work together more. And so, it was tough.
before is just within the Stockton schools because there was a rivalry for a long time with the schools and but with the next generation there seems to be a little bit more openness now and so I'm hoping that we can do more activities to promote that and know some people are promoting tournaments and me I promote similar
ours and and so so I just want to focus on more openness and more unity so it's just a little bit of a dreamer man yeah yeah so if somebody don't think about it it's never gonna happen right yeah so we don't have if we can't unite everybody at least if we can unite a good bunch yeah that's a big part of our mission too right it's why we why we do the show we host events we go to events because you know it's all martial arts it's all good yeah
Yeah. How long did you get to train with Angel? I trained with Angel from 1979 until he passed away in 1991. Yeah. And so...
I was actually the last, I think the last year, the last year, I wasn't really, I wasn't training with him anymore. He was, he started, his health started to fail. But I would still consult with him and he would still review my students. But for most of that time I, I trained with him until I graduated, then took some private lessons with him. And then,
Jeremy (15:12.628)
And then then he continued then I went on to start teaching and he would review my students and help rank you open the school. I open up the school. Okay. Was that something you would always wanted to do? Not really. How did that happen? I think you there was a time that you know, yeah, sometimes man, you know,
Jeremy (15:42.962)
I would put it this way, sometimes you love something and you want to protect it, but then you also, there's always this longing to want to share it. And little by little, because I was, oh, here's really what happened.
In Mendo Angel School at that time, he was training what we call master's degree. These masters, the original masters, they were trained to be the fighters of the school. Because at that time we would be challenged by another school. We would challenge them. And so he was afraid that if he wanted to make sure that if somebody challenged our school that we know how to protect ourselves. And that if somebody challenged our school we had adequate fighters.
And that's where he wanted to have his elite fighters. And being that I had the physical disability, I couldn't reach that level. So physically for me. And so I came to Mano Angel because I was going to get my leg cut off because I had a bone infection and they were going to amputate my leg. And so I approached Mano Angel and I said, Mano Angel, it's already tough enough for me. How am I going to continue?
to participate and he gave me this man he said you know what I'm gonna teach you how to teach I'm gonna teach you how to be a teacher and so that's what he did he broke down the system for me taught me how to teach how to teach the system from from every level and so that's that's how I that's how I got the urge to teach and so I wanted to start teaching because I'm my friend
would approach me to teach their kids. And so I asked Mano Angel said, hey Mano, I want to start a class. Can I start a class and then you review my students. I will be under your school. And he said, yeah. So he gave me permission and I started teaching. We are of course recording this in video, but most of our audience actually listens. So they may be missing out on an important piece that I think we need to talk about because it's something that a lot of people aren't.
Jeremy (18:11.588)
necessarily going to
Jeremy (18:17.01)
think can work for a career martial artist and that is the fact that you are in a wheelchair. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's funny. I've been to events where, you know, they're waiting for the teacher to be there, to get there, and I'm there, I'm waiting to.
Jeremy (18:35.826)
And then they find out it's me in the wheelchair. You made a comment yesterday. There were some demos and someone else was going to teach some things and actually started to and then they deferred to you and you came onto the floor and you made a very simple comment that I think really told me just about everything I needed to know about you and how I was going to be able to approach this conversation because we'd set this up a little while ago and you...
rolled into the floor and said, I don't really do footwork. And you just kind of kept going. And I sat there and I'm trying not to die laughing because I'm sitting in chairs in front of everybody. I'm trying to be respectful. But it told me a lot about you and how you approach things. The reason I set all that up is because one of the things I love about martial arts.
is that we do a better job overall of meeting people where they are at. Martial arts is for everyone, but I think for a lot of people, they might think, well, there's a line where it's too far where I can't. Yeah, that's true. And I'd like you to speak to that. Yeah. You know, that's the thing. I learned that...
you know, having a sense of humor helps because if you can make people laugh, then they're more open to, they see the human side of you. And you know, it becomes sort of a friendship. And so you make a connection right away. And if I can connect with somebody, then they might be willing to listen to me. And so, and the thing is that they can look at me and say, oh my gosh, if he can do it, I can do it. And,
Yeah, so for a long time, I was, you know, I kind of, I stayed away from that. I didn't embrace that because, you know, I didn't want to be the guy in the wheelchair, martial artist, right? You know, oh, he's pretty good for a guy in a wheelchair, right? So I wanted to be a good martial artist. I wanted to be a good teacher. I wanted to be known for that. And, but...
Jeremy (20:53.732)
But then more and more people... Did that make you work harder? Yes, absolutely. And so then, you know, then all of a sudden I started... People would approach me and say, oh my gosh, you really inspire me. I like what you said today. And so like, oh, hey, this is a good thing. This is a gift. And so I embraced that and I use that so I can open doors and hopefully I can open more doors.
and I work hard and study hard so I can open more doors. Yeah, so. It doesn't matter the martial art, we at least have conversation about the self -defense aspects. I know some folks who have various disabilities and they're in a variety of different martial arts.
But it seems, from my outside perspective, that learning how to swing sticks from a wheelchair is pretty darn applicable. It gives you range. It's something I've read accounts of people, you know, these kind of keep them tucked on the side or something.
There seems to be a good practical element there. I think so. Yeah. You know, if you, because there's different levels of challenges. Sure. Yeah. So if you have a good core and you can maintain, you can sit up, you know, you have to know at what point you lose your ability to stay up. So, you know, so I have a good core.
Okay, and my hands work well and so and others don't and so and I and I train people who have different different different levels of challenges and We always have a discussion. I don't want them to to
Jeremy (23:02.098)
I don't want them to be in this fantasy world that if I do this I'm going to be able to beat up a 200 pound guy. So I know my limits. So I want them to understand their limits. So if we're training for the, because they want to train martial arts, then we can train in a lot of areas, even areas that's not applicable for them. So because,
if they learn it, they can teach somebody else. They don't have to be a walking person to teach an able -bodied person. But if they think that, oh, I'm gonna be able to defend myself with a 200 -pound guy that's young and athletic, then I don't want that. You have to understand. And so if we know what level of...
you know we we know their level of challenges that we know then we can work on their strength and uh... the but we have to understand the limits you know so i tell i tell i had this one guy he's from texas i said man you're from texas i want you to go to gun rings and learn how to shoot and uh... and so he did that he went to gun rings and learned how to shoot because he can do that in texas
And so I just want to be realistic about things, you know, and as, but you, I agree with you, you know, with the, when you have a tool, like a stick, then you, you know, it's applicable, you know, as long as you're, you're able to wield it. Yeah.
Jeremy (24:46.386)
A lot of people end up training in arts that are tied to their lineage. You know, and we're seeing more and more familial styles come through, right? Irish stick fighting, you know, is growing in popularity. And I'm seeing, you know, I've got some Irish heritage and I'll admit, I feel a little bit of a pull in that direction. And I see folks of Korean descent gravitating towards Hokito or Taekwondo.
And the hope, as I talk to them, is it gives them some understanding of where they come from. How does your training help you understand where you come from? Well, you know, one thing about the Filipino martial arts is you're part of this little...
micro community. It's getting a lot larger. It's growing. I think Filipino martial arts is growing faster than any other martial arts segment. The point I was trying to make was that within the, for instance, the Kabbalah Sarada Scream Association, within the Kabbalah school, we have a little community. And that's a culture that we had in our school, but it came from our Filipino culture.
And so, and I understood that culture because I grew up in the Philippines. But I had friends who were born here and because they were in our Esprima school, they understood our culture better. You see? And so, but I think it's normal for people to gravitate towards their culture and to study, you know, their cultural heritage.
with you, I trained in your school, what are some of those cultural elements that I might find? I hope hard work, yeah, and hard work and...
Jeremy (27:05.618)
I don't know what the word is, but to be able to bring the inner part of, you know, that thing you got in you, don't want to succeed and to do well. I would like to bring that out of you and then, you know, to make you a better person. Yeah, so I like,
I love my students. They're like my family. And sometimes students who's been away for a while, they come back and how they sometimes they express how their life changed because of being part of our community. Then, you know, that makes me happy because I was part of their growth. Yeah, so yeah, if you come to me and you were my student, you don't have to stay with me long.
But if I have a little piece that I can impart with you, a piece of what I think is good about our culture, then you have that now. I think that's a good thing. I agree. Yeah. So I see a lot of people now cross -training in Filipino martial arts there. They start in karate or kempo, and they start bringing in some of these elements of maskema or arnis, kali, and...
I'm wondering have you...
looked outside to bring things into what you do? Oh yeah, absolutely. Talk about that. Yeah. I'm around, I have friends from different martial arts. We, you know, stocked in martial arts communities is huge. We have the Chinese, we have Japanese arts, we have Filipino. And, you know, there's this, there's more spirit of sharing when it comes to
Jeremy (29:06.532)
to outside, you know, but unfortunately for a long time, which is changing though, you know, within the Filipino community, there was a resistance to share with other Filipino martial artists, but there seemed to be an openness of, you know, if I want to share with a karate practitioner and, you know, we felt that was safe. And so, and so, so it was an opportunity to learn other things, man.
How can I, what can I see? I always see something from other sources and I like to see where my style fits in with that. Where can I find that? How am I gonna use that? And so we call it borrowing. Yeah. Yeah, so I like that one. I like that one, I borrowed that. That is my now. Yeah, one of my personal views is that, kind of like religion, everybody's martial art is very personal. It's all a little bit different.
You can you can teach me I could spend a thousand years learning from you and I'm still gonna be a little different I'm never gonna be exactly yeah you all do and I think if that's true, then let's just embrace it You know, and of course we're here at an event that is all about that, you know, we're this martial arts symposium. Shout out Thank you to Terry Dowell for letting us do this. Awesome event. Yeah. Yeah, it's been a lot of fun and so we're you know I'm going to these different things and I tend to go to the stuff that I'm the worst at right I want to I want to be the worst one in the room because that's
That's where I'm going to learn the most. Yeah, that's where you learn the most. Yeah, it's awesome, man. I get to be around like Bill Wallace. My gosh, man. He's the best. He's the best. He was sitting right there about 45 minutes ago. Amazing guy. Yeah, he just slept right now. He's got an awesome sense of humor. He comes up to me. He comes up to me, looks down at me, and he goes, hey, keep kicking.
I love that guy, man. He is great. And you know, it's... We've talked about this a little bit on the show, but there seems to be a lot of overlap with very good martial arts instructors and a good sense of humor. Oh, man, I think it helped. Yeah. Why do you think that happens? Is it that people with a good sense of humor end up wanting to be teachers or do they develop the sense of humor because they are teaching?
Jeremy (31:34.738)
uh well
I just think that people with a sense of humor stand out more. Yeah. So there's all kinds of teachers. Not everyone have a good sense of humor. That's true. But there's a few that stand out. And the ones that do, tend to have a good sense of humor. Yeah. You gotta be able to laugh at yourself, man. Yeah. So. Life's too short to be serious all the time. We're not getting out of here alive. No. No. We're all about that ticket. That's right. Yeah, just waiting for the train. That's right. Hopefully it's late.
that train. Yeah. What keeps you motivated? Because, you know, let me say it this way. You don't have to be here. You're right. You left. Yeah. Your your side of the country. You left people that you love. You left your students, your school and you're here. I I I love the art and I love people and.
I want to share something with you, man. The last few years, kind of big change for me. I got sick really bad. And I'm wheelchair bound. And so I ended up getting gangrene on my bottom. And so this was when COVID first started. And I thought I had COVID.
And then, and I didn't feel nothing. And, but I didn't know that gangrene developed on my tissue, like on my payeba, my bottom, my legs, that area. And so, so they had to clean that up. And so it was a long recovery. And then after that, I got COVID.
Jeremy (33:33.586)
And so what was worse is because of my spina bifida, I was only born with one kidney. And my kidney was already diminished. And when I got COVID, it even got worse.
And so when I almost recovered from that. Do you have to go on dialysis? No, not yet. Okay. So this part of the story. Okay. And so I almost recovered. I started to recover from COVID and then I got pneumonia again from the flu, influenza, and that finished the rest of my kidney. And so now I'm on dialysis three times a week. And so...
you know, having the realization that man, our time is borrowed. And what's important to you and what's important to me is my family. And another thing important to me is how can I impact people's lives? And that's what I want to do. I want to be able to impact more people's lives.
So I think I have something to share. And not just my martial arts, but my life experience. I want to be able to use that to help others. Yeah. So would you say you're ramping up travel in Seminox? Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And I have other projects that hopefully will result in more doors opening. Anything you're ready to talk about? I'm ready.
I'm writing a book. Oh cool. Yeah, I'm writing a book. What's it about? Yeah, about my life journey, my struggles, my parents, our journey to America. So it's just about overcoming man and winning. Yeah, it's just not too many people, not enough people want to win, you know, and if they do want to win, they don't know how. What does winning mean to you? Winning is...
Jeremy (35:45.202)
accomplishing the things that you want.
to accomplish and it's different for different people. Sure. Yeah. And so, but there has, you have to have something that you want to work to motivate you because I can be an athlete in high school and win and I get all that accolades in high school. I mean, that's it. So now the rest of my life, I want to let myself go because there's nothing else to work towards. A lot of the kids I went to high school with are like that. Yeah, man, that's only the beginning of the journey. That's where you learn.
how to win, you know, and you know how to win, so now use it for something else, grab on something else. If it's not you, you know, work on helping another person achieve theirs. That's what coaches do, help others to achieve their dream. I like that word coach in the context of martial arts. I'm hearing more and more people use it because I think it better sets up the dynamic between an instructor and a student. If I'm a coach and I tell my
students is, you know, yeah, I'm sensei, but I'm your coach. My job is to help you get the best out of you. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Sounds like you do the same. I do still. I hope so. I'm working at it. As someone who's been teaching a long time, I imagine you do some things differently now than you did when you first started teaching. Yes. And I, I don't know what that is.
I think I understand things better. It's easier for me to bring...
Jeremy (37:31.89)
something out of a student. Whatever they're struggling with, it's easier for me to help them solve that, to struggle through that. But it's up to them, I can't do it for them. But I can help them coach through that easier. It was tough before. Before it was like, but now I'm able to coach them out of it. Monong Angel was like that. He knew how to bring it out.
it out of you and so it just took me a long time to be able to understand how he did it yeah so it's tough to be that guy but he was something else he was just he was a great instructor great he was a fighter what made him great
Well, for us, you know, I think for young boys, he had a reputation as a fighter. So that, you know, that, you know, we used to watch, it was on a Western movies, right? The Euro, right? And that was Manon Angel to us.
And so, but then, as he was, he became more like a father to a lot of us. He was very caring. And so, and he knew how to, because he was our teacher, he knew how to push us. He knew how to push us to our limits and bring us to the edge and pull the greatness out of us. I know he did that for me.
And you do it for your students now. And I do, I'm working at being better at it. Yeah, but yeah, I think I'm almost there. Not quite there yet, but almost there. It's an ongoing journey, right? It's an ongoing journey. Until the train shows up, we're still working on it.
Jeremy (39:40.882)
So given that the audience that we have, you know, it's global. Some of them do Filipino martial arts, some of them don't. Most of them probably don't.
What advice do you have for them? They're all at different points on their journey. Some of them are new, some of them have been training 60, 70 years. What do you want them to think about? What do you want them to take away from our conversation here today?
Jeremy (40:16.338)
I think that.
If it's not to quit on themselves, right? It's to continue to fail, you know? So people are afraid to fail.
You know, you got to fail to succeed. You got to continue to do that. Set your goals, little goals, and achieve those little ones. And little by little, you can achieve your big ones. But don't quit. People quit too easy. And so, yeah, don't quit. If you feel like quitting, go find somebody else to help you follow through. Find a good coach. Find a good teacher.
Yeah, there's so many quotes out there from very successful people and they break all of their success down to I just kept showing up. Yeah, just keep showing up. Yeah, that was me. Just kept showing up. That was me too. My instructors say, you know, I started when I was very young, I was four and after me they said, you know, we won't take anybody who's under six. I just kept showing up and showing up and you know, I wasn't that good for a very long time.
and still not very good, but I've got a lot of experience at being okay. Yeah, keep showing up.
Jeremy (41:48.69)
If people want to get a hold of you? I have a Facebook presence, Carlito Bonjock on Facebook. And so I'm starting my Instagram and we'll utilize more of the social media. And so I have somebody that's going to help me work on that. And so, but yeah, I'd like to get my book out there. Is there a timeline for that?
You know, we're getting closer. Okay. Yeah. We're getting closer. Okay. So hopefully, you know, when we do these episodes and we put them out, we can always go back and update the notes. Okay. They go with them. So, you know, folks, if you're, we're recording this in April of 24, so if you catch this later, you know, make sure you hit the show notes and maybe the book is out. Hopefully the book's out. Let us know when it's out and we'll drop links in for people to grab it. All right. Okay.
Yeah, so yeah, Facebook, you can message me there on Messenger. And then everybody knows my phone number. Here you go, 209 -992 -0832. You might get some calls and some texts. All right. Awesome. I appreciate this. Thank you for doing this. This has been fun. And...
Yeah, any final words for the audience to leave them? Yeah. Keep smiling. Be happy. I think smile.
If you greet people with a smile, they smile back Too many grumpy people So, you know, you know what you know why I said that is because somebody I was Three times this week. Somebody told me this weekend that I'm here. Oh, you have a good smile. You have a great smile So three different people told me that you seem like a genuinely happy person. Oh, yeah Yeah, very fortunate man. I have a wife that loves me
Jeremy (43:56.036)
daughter that's awesome. Yeah, so it's just our family, we're all close. It's great. And so yeah man, I just, I love life. I'm loving life right now. Thanks for doing this. Alright, thank you sir.