Episode 775- Everyday Tools for Martial Artists

In this episode, Andrew and Jeremy talk about the Everyday Tools for Martial Artists.

Everyday Tools for Martial Artists - Episode 775

Are you familiar with EDC? Everyday carry tools for martial artists are highly debatable. What do martial artists need as EDC? Knife? Guns? Nunchucks? For Adam and Jeremy, having an EDC is a tool that everyone could use not just for self-defense. In this episode, listen as Andrew and Jeremy talk about some useful Everyday Tools for Martial Artists.

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Show Transcript

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Jeremy Lesniak: 

Hey, what's going on everybody? Welcome. This is whistlekick Martial Arts Radio. Andrew and I, today, we're gonna talk about EDC. We're gonna come at it from a different angle than it's often addressed every day carry the stuff that you have on you as it relates to your personal safety. No, this is not gonna be an episode about guns and knives. It's about so much more and so little of that, stick around you'll hear our take. I've got a different take than most people have and I know Andrew's on the same page. Now, if you're new to our show, thanks for coming by. We appreciate you and we would recommend that you go to whistlekick.com as soon as you can. Maybe you even press pause on this episode and go check it out. Because what we do here at whistlekick is so much more than simply this show. We have multiple podcasts. We do events. We have products, and if you use the code podcast15 in the store, you can save 15% on any of the stuff in there. So check that out. Now, you could also go to whistlekickmartialartsradio.com as where you're gonna find the show notes every single episode we've ever done. There are so many of them. Depending on when you're watching or listening to this, there are many, many, many, many episodes cause we keep making more and we don't take them away. You can go back and watch episode... well listen, there's no watch, you can go back and listen to episode one if you want to. And you know what? It's better than Star Wars episode one. You know what, that might be the most controversial thing I've ever said on the show. We'll find out.

Andrew Adams:

 And then they listen to episode one and then listen to this episode, which, well, theoretically they're already listening to it, they would've been heard to go back and listen to episode one.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

And I'm not gonna say that episode one of Star Wars and episode one of Martial Arts radio sync up in like a Pink Floyd sort of way, but I'm not gonna say they don't.

Andrew Adams: 

Well, what I was gonna say is they could listen to how much better our podcast has gotten because of people who support the show financially through Patreon.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Yeah. Our Patreon's really been a huge element to what we do. It provides support. Honestly, it's also emotional support. It's not just financial support, it's emotional support knowing that people are like, hey, have some money. Is my camera flickering on your screen too? It is. Alright. So, Andrew, talk about Patreon for a minute.

Andrew Adams: 

Patreon. So one of the things with Patreon that you get is value. I mean, one of the things that we here at whistlekick strive for is to give you more than you give us. And I think there's no better way than to see how that works than through our Patreon. For as little as $2 a month, you automatically right away get an extra kind of behind-the-scenes, peek behind the curtain as to who's coming on for future guests. At $5 a month, you get stuff mailed to you for free. Just, you know, yes, you get to help support the show, you get an extra audio episode that is exclusive only to Patreon subscribers, but you also get free things sent to you in the mail. I'm gonna turn my camera here.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Your whistlekick printer?

Andrew Adams: 

My whistlekick printer. All of these stickers because I am a Patreon subscriber as well. So I got all of these stickers throughout the different months of Patreon.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

And it's more than stickers, you know. If anybody can't tell, here's the business model for whistlekick. Do cool stuff, give it away, and then give people the opportunity to have or do more and make it so overwhelmingly compelling that they struggle to say no.

Andrew Adams: 

Yeah.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

So, I would challenge you to find a better deal for five bucks in our Patreon.

Andrew Adams: 

Yeah, absolutely.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

I don't think you're gonna find it.

Andrew Adams: 

And you get the satisfaction of knowing that you are helping support traditional martial arts through this podcast.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

That's true. Alright, I think my camera's better.

Andrew Adams: 

Okay. Yay.

Jeremy Lesniak:

 I have to make an adjustment in the future, but we'll do that as we record our next episode. So today, this idea of EDC and it's an acronym that gets kicked around in the survival or prepper community quite frequently. And it's something that a lot of people kind of nerd out about. They're like, oh, you know, I've got a knife here and I've got a knife here, and I put this here and this is my everyday carry firearm and this, and I put a fish and hook in my hat and I do this and, you know, I could go out in the woods for 17 weeks with just what's on me. And you know, they walk around with like this because they're wearing... there's so many pockets. And I'm not gonna say that that's wrong. If that's how you choose to approach it, by all means. But here's the funny thing, and this correlates directly with conversations you and I have had about self-defense. The most likely stuff to happen is the least dramatic.

Andrew Adams: 

Mm-hmm. Very true.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

The stuff that you should be prepared for in your self-defense classes as you teach, seminar, whatever, it's about de-escalation. It's about avoidance. It's about conversation. It's not about, okay, here's how you kill someone in 46 ways. Because statistically, you need that far less often than the conversation skills, the de-escalation skills. And in fact, if you have the de-escalation skills, your likelihood of needing the violent skills or even less. So when we talk about the things that we carry on us and the things that you might consider carrying on you, it's not a list of firearms, it's not a whole bunch of knives.

Andrew Adams: 

Nope.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Not that either of us are opposed to firearms and knives.

Andrew Adams: 

No.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

And if that's something that you want to carry and you know you do that responsibly, we're not gonna tell you what you should carry. We're gonna talk about what we do and why.

Andrew Adams: 

Yep. And I will preface a little bit. One of the things on my list is a pocket knife, but I'm not talking a big long Bowie knife or a big knife. I'm talking like a little, like a Swiss army knife type. Like that kind of small little knife. Yep. There you go. You have to watch. We're not gonna tell you what he just pulled out. I would pull mine out except I'm wearing my pajamas right now.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Do we need to edit that?

Andrew Adams: 

No.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Are you sure?

Andrew Adams: 

Yeah, it's fine.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Okay.

Andrew Adams: 

Because one of my everyday carry items is a knife and I can't pull it out because I'm not wearing my jeans cause I have my pajamas on.

Jeremy Lesniak:

I feel like you're missing what I'm laughing at.

Andrew Adams: 

Oh no! I'm purposely steering away from that.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Okay. Thank you. I'm still there. Keep driving the bus.

Andrew Adams: 

Yeah. Yeah. A little knife, a small knife, not a big survival knife where you can take, that's got a compass on the end and you unscrew it and there's matches in there.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Rambo had one.

Andrew Adams: 

Yeah, I had one as a kid cause it was cool.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

We all did.

Andrew Adams: 

Yeah. I'm talking a small knife that is on my list, but I'm not carrying 12 knives.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Right. This is the knife that I carry most of the time, and this is probably gonna get us banned from something. I don't know who knows what, but it's a simple knife. This is a tool. I have never used it to harm anyone or anything. I don't even think I've ever cut any food with it. I open boxes, I cut strings off, you know, jackets or whatever. Can it be used in a self-defense way? Yes.

Andrew Adams: 

Sure. Yeah.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Would I rather have that than nothing? Of course. But my usage of this, the ways that I can help myself are so much bigger than simply defending myself in a violent way. Let's come up with ways that a knife could be beneficial. And not just, you know, opening boxes like actual keep you safe in a non-violent way. How about cutting a seatbelt if you get stuck?

Andrew Adams: 

Absolutely. You hit the one I was gonna hit first, you know. Like extracting yourself from a situation where you're bound. Whether it's a seatbelt or God forbid, you know, actually being tied up by somebody.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

There are medical uses for a knife. I am making a quick decision, not going to name any of them, so no one can ever sue me for saying, "No, but Jeremy said on Martial Arts Radio that I could use my knife to perform this emergency surgery."

Andrew Adams: 

Yeah, yeah.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

But there are some things that one could use that for. What else?

Andrew Adams: 

I've used a knife, this is such a silly thing, but to take splinters out, you know. Using the point to like, eh, and get under and get a splinter out.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Are we stretching the definition of self-defense? Absolutely.

Andrew Adams: 

Yeah.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Can splitters get infected? Yes.

Andrew Adams: 

Yep.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Is it theoretically possible that one could die from an infected splinter? Yes. Is it likely? No.

Andrew Adams: 

No, no, no. But that is a useful reason to have one.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Absolutely!

Andrew Adams: 

And here's the reason... and you know, another item on my list is a pen by the way. Just a pen, right? One of the reasons these two items are on my list is I can quickly, and I know you can as well, Jeremy, cause you did it just a second ago, quickly pull out your knife and have it ready. And why? Why can you quickly pull it out and have it ready?

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Because I've used it 1,000,001 times.

Andrew Adams: 

Exactly! So even though I'm pulling it out right now to get a splinter out of my finger, or to open up a box or to, you know, cut whatever, you know.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Yeah.

Andrew Adams: 

I'm constantly being able to grab it, you know, hey, anybody got a pen? Oh, got one right here, you know. Oh, you need a pen? Oh, you go like it's ready to go.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

It's practice. It's inherent practice based on utility that translates in other ways.

Andrew Adams: 

Exactly.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

I can use this knife in a violent way. I can use this pen in a violent way. I can use it as a kubotan sort of a tool.

Andrew Adams: 

Yep.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

And it doesn't have to be something fancy like this. It can be a cheap Bic pen cause it's better than nothing.

Andrew Adams: 

Yep. Yep. And the other reason to have a pen as an everyday carry item is to write things down, you know. That person did a hit and run and then run, write the right license plate down. If you have your pen and you're used to quickly grabbing it...

Jeremy Lesniak: 

It's faster than pulling out your phone.

Andrew Adams: 

Correct. Absolutely!

Jeremy Lesniak: 

What if there's a situation where something happens and you need to leave? You don't wanna be there when somebody shows up and you need to leave some information. You can probably find something. Heck, you can write on their forearm if need be.

Andrew Adams: 

Yeah.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

I'm gonna let people connect some dots on this. I'm not gonna advocate for something there. But the number of times in a day that people ask for, "Do you have a knife? Do you have a pen?" "Do you have a pen? Do you have a knife?"

Andrew Adams: 

Absolutely.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

It's constant. If you have the knife and the pen, you are more likely to be able to use the knife and the pen should the situation arise. I think these are the two of the most important tools available. We haven't gotten to my favorite one, but I think these are so incredibly valuable and if you're not carrying both, I think you might reconsider.

Andrew Adams: 

Yeah. Can I guess what's your last one?

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Well, I've actually got two more, three more.

Andrew Adams: 

No, not the last one. I meant the one at the top of your list. I'm wondering.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

By all means, flashlight. Yep.

Andrew Adams: 

I had three on my list. Pocket knife, pen, and flashlight. I did come up with a fourth, which we'll talk about later, but flashlight is definitely on my...

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Here's why, and I've talked about this, this is probably what? The sixth time we've talked about this over eight years on this show about my love for flashlights. Until you have a flashlight on you that you can use at any time, you do not know how often you will use it. There is no situation unless you somehow have figured out what Riddick did in Pitch Black in that prison to get the shine job on his eyes...

Andrew Adams: 

Oh yeah.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Where you are better off in the dark than you are in the light.

Andrew Adams: 

Yep.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Having a flashlight makes less dark. More dark, more dangerous. Less dark, less dangerous. Up until, I don't know, some extreme position where you're blind. But that's rare, right? So having a flashlight, yes, I can use it as a manipulative tool in the same way I could use a durable pen, but simply put, this light is in my hand or tucked in a hat or behind my ear or I don't know, daily.

Andrew Adams: 

Yep.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

There was something going on with my wood stove the other day, or when I walk to my car, I have light.

Andrew Adams: 

Yep, absolutely. And it's one of those items that, like you said, you don't realize how often you are gonna use it until you have it. My mom and I, when I was 11 or 12, 13 years old, maybe were house-sitting for a friend. And we were staying at her house for like a week and we went over there ahead of time to see what the house was like and whatever, and the woman that we were house-sitting for said, “This is the microwave and this is how you use it.” And microwaves were new. We didn't have a microwave at our house, so we were like...

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Younger audience members right now going, what? What?

Andrew Adams: 

Yeah. Yeah.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Four microwaves?

Andrew Adams: 

Exactly. We didn't have a microwave in our house. We never had one. I never had one growing up. And she's showing us a microwave and we were both like, okay, whatever. Like we'll never use that cause like we've never had one. We don't need one. We used it all the time. And when we left, when we were done house sitting, we got home, we bought a microwave like right off the bat cause we realized how useful it is. It's that same sort of thing. You don't know how useful that flashlight is. And then everyone out, there's probably saying, oh, I have a flashlight on my phone. Well, how useful is that stupid thing, you know?

Jeremy Lesniak:

The amount of time it takes you to get to that is too long.

Andrew Adams: 

Yep.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Because here's what's going on. Assuming you are a responsible martial artist, you are not walking around outside in the dark with your phone on you in front of you. It's in your pocket. It's in your jacket. It's in your purse.

Andrew Adams: 

Right.

Jeremy Lesniak:

It's somewhere away from you. You will have to acknowledge a situation that warrants your light as a precursor to you getting your phone. That is likely to mean that something is happening close to you. How many seconds does it take you? Oh, 1, 2, 3. I would say three on the short.

Andrew Adams: 

Yep.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Lock it happen in three seconds, in the dark.

Andrew Adams: 

Well, and on top of that, just in terms of using the flashlight all the time for different things, the flashlight on your phone sucks.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

It does.

Andrew Adams:

It does.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

It really does.

Andrew Adams: 

It's not a good flashlight.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Yeah. I will have this on me and off often. It's a tool, it's a weapon. Oh, what's going on? Whoop! For anybody who cares, we have no official relationship with these folks or anything. In fact, no relationship. But this is Olight and I have learned, I don't buy the real cheap ones anymore. This is about 20 bucks, $22. I lose them a couple times a year. It's worth it. It's $22. The cheap ones go through batteries faster and they're just not as durable. This I would have no problem smashing into somebody's head if I needed to with confidence. Okay. Yeah, so the one that I think people are most likely to find value in of the things that we're talking about is this. It's the light.

Andrew Adams: 

Okay.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Please, please consider. I got two more, any guesses?

Andrew Adams: 

No.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Okay. One of the others is one we've talked about quite a bit.

Andrew Adams: 

Belt.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

A belt. I've said this before, I will continue to say it, a belt is the most underrated improvised weapon we have available to us. And here's how I can prove that. Next time you're around people that you know kind of well, take off your belt, swing it around and see if they take a step back. They will! I don't care if you hold it by the buckle end or the other end. Nobody wants to get hit with a belt. Some of us got hit with a belt. I was not one of those people. Some people used to get hit with belts. It triggers some PTSD in them, but everyone looks at that and says that thing's kinda heavy. It's going to hurt and it has range.

Andrew Adams: Yeah.

Jeremy Lesniak: Here's the beauty of it. I can take it absolutely anywhere with no one noticing. As wonderful as a cane is, as an improvised self-defense weapon, I think a belt is better. You walk with a cane, you become more of a target.

Andrew Adams: 

Exactly, exactly. You look like a victim or you can look like a victim.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Right? Yep. I have this belt everywhere I go or a belt everywhere I go. I can quickly take it off. Is it instant? No. No, not at all. But I can deploy it pretty quickly cause I do practice and I'm confident in it. I take this belt and I've hit things with it and it leaves marks.

Andrew Adams: 

Yep. Mark.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Anything else on the belt?

Andrew Adams: 

Not on the belt. No. That's a good one. That's a good one.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

I've got one more and it's one that people don't talk about and it drives me nuts.

Andrew Adams:

I have one as well, and we may be in disagreement on it.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Okay.

Andrew Adams: 

So let's say...

Jeremy Lesniak: 

I wanna hear yours.

Andrew Adams: 

Oh, okay. You don't wanna save it on the last?

Jeremy Lesniak: 

I've done the last couple.

Andrew Adams: 

Okay. Cell phone.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

I agree.

Andrew Adams: 

And here's why. And this is where we may differ on, and I'm interested to know your thoughts on this. I was thinking about just the other day if I were approached on the street and were being mugged and I said loudly, hey, blank, whether that's Alexa, Siri, whatever, Google, whatever, call 911. The person that is mugging me, just heard me, will likely know what I just did, right? I just told my phone to call 911.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Yep.

Andrew Adams: 

Even if I don't have a cell phone on me, the person assaulting me does not know that.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Right.

Andrew Adams: 

Or hey, blank, I'm not gonna say it cause I don't wanna activate people's phones.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Nope.

Andrew Adams: 

Hey, blank, call 911 and record video.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Yep.

Andrew Adams:

Even if that is in my back pocket, it's still active and working.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Mm-hmm.

Andrew Adams: 

And I think people don't realize how important that could be. Now, here's the downside that might freak out the person attacking.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Like anything else, you have to play the scenario. You have to respond appropriately. I'm not gonna deploy a knife or some other tool if I don't need to. I'm not going to take someone who looks like, you know, maybe this is gonna end in a mild way and do something that might escalate it.

Andrew Adams: 

Yeah.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Right? I think a cell phone is a wonderful tool and admittedly, the reason I didn't think about it is cause it's always on me. It has a tremendous amount of utility. Is it as good as a separate flashlight? No, but it has a flashlight.

Andrew Adams: 

Yeah.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Is it as good as a professional video camera? Almost, these days. There are plenty of things where maybe something's happening and you need to record video of someone. Please don't just stand there and record if you can help. But if there's a scenario, right, there are plenty of reasons you might need to or want to capture video. And then of course Andrew's suggestion, whether it's actually implemented or not is wonderful. And just as an aside folks, if that's something you want to test, you can do that. 911 has no problem with you testing your service. You just need to acknowledge that. If you say, hey, call 911. Don't hang up. Tell them hi, I was testing something. I wanted to make sure it worked. I am perfectly safe. They're gonna ask you some questions. You'll be on the phone for 60 seconds. It'll be fine.

Andrew Adams: 

Well, my suggestion would be instead test it by going, hey, call Jeremy Lesniak's cell. Just call somebody else. I mean, you're still...

Jeremy Lesniak: 

And that also works. Some people want to be able to test the whole thing. They might not believe that you can do that for 911 versus a regular call. Maybe your phone will default to calling via WhatsApp or Facebook or something instead.

Andrew Adams: 

Yeah. Okay.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

So, if it's something that you think you wanna rely on there, there's nothing wrong with testing it in that way.

Andrew Adams: 

Man, I should have actually done it. My phone's right here. I should have actually done, call Jeremy Lesniak, your phone number rang and you know what I mean.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Alright. You ready for the last one?

Andrew Adams: 

I am, I'm ready for the last one.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Wallet.

Andrew Adams: 

Okay.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Why is a wallet so important? Well, it has the things that we think it should have. It has our identification, it has money, but it also becomes a way that we can think of getting out of situations. We live in a time where most of us do not carry cash. 10 bucks. What can I do with 10 bucks? I can get a couple gallons of gas. That'll probably get me outta trouble if I'm about to run outta gas.

Andrew Adams: 

Yep.

Jeremy Lesniak: Maybe we're in a situation where power's out and I can't run credit cards. Like, I don't know, the storm that's coming this weekend that's about to brutalize parts of New England, it is entirely possible. In fact, it is so likely that we're going to lose power that I got an email from my power company.

Andrew Adams: 

Yep. I did as well. I got a text.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Right? So there are circumstances where you need cash. $10 doesn't take out much space, takes up the same amount of space as $20 or $50 or a hundred dollars or $1. I try to have a little bit of cash on me at all times. I have other things in there. Business cards which they are ways that I can leave identification. Maybe I'm not gonna leave my license, but it's a way to say, hey, Jeremy was here and this is how you can get ahold of me.

Andrew Adams: 

Yeah. Now here's another way to think about it. I actually stopped carrying a wallet for a while, for a long time. Because my wallet kept getting thicker and thicker and you know how much time I spend in my car driving.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Yep.

Andrew Adams: 

And sitting on my wallet started to actually give me back pain.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Yep.

Andrew Adams: 

And my chiropractor was like, this is likely the culprit. And I took the wallet outta my pocket and that pain started to go away. So in the meantime, I started taking all of my critical cards, my debit card, my license, everything, and all my cash, and I just carry it in my front pocket. Now, if I had a wallet in my back pocket and somebody said, hey, gimme your wallet like you know, I need money. I have no problem giving them my wallet because there's nothing in there.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Right. Some people will carry two wallets.

Andrew Adams: 

Yep.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

That's fine. You can do that. And just to acknowledge what Andrew's saying, you can, if you're watching, you can see my wallet's very thin. It's kind of a knockoff of like the ridge wallet or something like that. Again, no relationship.

Andrew Adams: 

And I think now I could probably get away with having the wallet because the reason the wallet kept getting thick is because I had, because again, I do so much driving, I had my Exxon card, I had my Irving card, I had my Shell card, I had my... you know, all these gas cards and now that stuff's all on my phone now.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Right.

Andrew Adams: 

So I probably could get away with wearing, carrying a wallet all the time because it would be thinner.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Yep. Makes total sense. Alright, so do we have any others? I think we're good. Audience, what do you carry? Would love to know. Especially if there's something that you feel really passionate about. Is there something that you carry? Do you carry a drumstick? Either for drumming or for eating of the Turkey or ice cream variety?

Andrew Adams: Sure.

Jeremy Lesniak: If you carry drumstick ice creams in your pocket, I wanna know about that cause I have questions.

Andrew Adams: But I held for those listening, I held up a drumstick cause I always have drumsticks near me. And you can bet that I have picked these up occasionally and be like, hmm, I wonder how I could, like, you know? Manipulate these to do stuff.

Jeremy Lesniak: It's a mindset as much as anything else. And I would just encourage you as you go through kind of life and you bump into little problems, not the big ones, you don't bump into those often, but the little ones, oh man, it's dark. I wish I had a light. Flashlight, right? If you carry a keychain, there are a 1,001 things you can put on a keychain that are handy. I just want you to be safe. We want you to be safe. We want you to think about our approach to the world as martial artists being safe. Just because it doesn't easily lend itself to committing violence against someone attacking you does not mean it is not relevant under the heading of self-defense.

Andrew Adams: 

Absolutely!

Jeremy Lesniak: 

All right. Now, if you appreciate the things that we do, like Andrew said at the top, you can join our Patreon. You can buy stuff, use the code podcast15. You can tell people about what we do. But here are two other things that you might consider doing. If you're a martial arts school owner and you appreciate the practical kind of nonsense, integrity-driven methodology that is whistlekick, maybe consider hiring whistlekick and the team, led by myself, in a consulting effort. We can help you grow your school, make more money, increase your profits, gain more students in the same sort of ways that we do these things for whistlekick and for other schools. You can also consider hiring us or hosting us I guess is a better word for seminars. Myself, Andrew, Craig, there are a bunch of us that teach seminars and we are happy to come through and share some things with your students. All you have to do is reach out. Best thing, email me jeremy@whistlekick.com. Now, our social media everywhere you might think of is @whistlekick. Andrew's email, andrew@whistlekickmartialartsradio.com. And I think that takes us to the end, doesn't it?

Andrew Adams: 

Yeah.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

Yeah. So there we are. And until next time, train hard, smile, and have a great day!

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