Episode 565 - Best of the Best (Movie)
In this episode, Jeremy and co-host Andrew Adams talk about the martial arts movie from 1989, Best of the Best.
Best of the Best (Movie) - Episode 565
The film "Best of the Best" is starred by Eric Roberts, James Earl Jones, Sally Kirkland, Simon Rhee, and Chris Penn. Its plot basically revolves around the competition of US and Korean Martial Arts teams. In this episode, we got two opposing views from Jeremy and co-host Andrew about how great or bad the film "Best of the Best" is. Listen to find out more!
Show Transcript
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Jeremy Lesniak:
How's it going everybody? Welcome! This is whistlekick Martial Arts Radio, episode 565. Today, Andrew and I are talking about the movie, best of the best. I’m Jeremy Lesniak and I'm the host for the show. Joining by Andrew Adams. In everything we do here at whistlekick is in to support the traditional martial arts. If you want to learn more about what we're doing to support you, go to whistlekick.com. That's a real find. Everything we're involved in and one of things we've got there is the store. Check out the store, we add new items all the time. And if you haven't, maybe you can make a purchase, maybe you can support us, you can use the code PODCAST15 to save 15 percent. And there's nothing over there you might want to check out those set up for the newsletter. Now, if you want the website for the show, it's completely different with martialartsradio.com. Over there, you're going to find every episode of every download we don't put any of those behind a paywall. We give you transcript, links, videos, audio. This episode is in video as well as audio, you'll find the video at YouTube. And I lost my place on my sheet. If you like the work that we do, beyond making a purchase, you have a number of other ways where you can help. You could share what we're doing with others. You know that you've got friends to tell “Hey, have you heard about whistlekick. You know what they're doing for us?” You can follow us on social media. We’re at whistlekick everywhere you can imagine. You could support Patreon, patreon.com/whistlekick. If you support us with as little as 2 that many dollars, we're going to give you stuff back. We give you behind the scenes information and the more you're willing to contribute, get a number of different tiers, the more we're going to give you back. So, you know it's all about that we try to give you more than you give us because we love you. Thank you, we appreciate your patience. Maybe I shouldn’t... I don't know, maybe Andrew too…
Andrew Adams:
I love you too, yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak:
So, a few weeks ago, I sent Andrew a list of all the ideas that we ever thought of doing podcast episodes on and never got to. And he picked out, let's do one of the best of the best. And I probably have been avoiding it because I don't know that I've ever seen it. I've heard of it. If you go back after like the first 100 and some interviews we did back when I was, you know, I had to follow the script because I was a terrible interviewer. I asked every guest what their favorite martial arts movie is. And we went back and tabulated the dose. And guess what the best of the best, what was I thinking. It was a number… Wait, where are my notes? I think it was number 6. Yes, the 6 best martial arts movies are selected by your first 100 or so martial arts radio guests.
Andrew Adams:
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Jeremy Lesniak:
You read the same limited trivia pages on Wikipedia and IMDb that I did. And so, on Friday, as Andrew and I were communicating about what we were going to talk about today. I realized, yeah, we're going to talk about that movie. I should re-watch it or as I realized very quickly, watch it for the first time. And I did. I watched it and now we're going to talk about it. And there may be a bit of foreshadowing in my voice.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak:
What do you think of this movie?
Andrew Adams:
I will go on the record as saying it is my favorite martial arts movie of all time. Seriously, I'm not this. I'm not being facetious at all. I love the movie. It's for the sake of it being a movie and what it's about the subject and how it's handled. I love it and I'm sure we'll get into it. I love the fight scenes and think that it is the martial arts and it is amazing. No. But the movie for the movie's sake, I do love this movie. Not going to lie.
Jeremy Lesniak:
So, I'm going to respond to what you just said with a slight inter plus like shift in your language. It is a movie. Best of the best is a movie and I think that is. It’s the most redeeming quality. That somehow, this movie is greater than the sum of its parts but its parts are horrible. This is one of the worst movies I have in my life. The acting is terrible, the dialogue is terrible, the fight scenes are horrid.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak:
It is the worst thing I've ever seen James Earl Jones in. Leading me to believe that he is able to, he's such a great actor but he's able to act on a sliding scale and they gave him less money. So, we acted worse. I genuinely believe that “that's all you're going to pay me? I'm going to do a crap job. That's what I think happened. All right, okay. Now, I took a look and I didn't have a chance to dig deeper but the budget for this film was $5,000,000. Yeah, keep in mind that they recorded in the U. S. and in Korea. So, I'm pretty sure that they ate most of that up in travel and food.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah. We should also say, just so people know, like if you haven't watched this movie and you wish to before you hear this, you should pause, go absolutely.
Jeremy Lesniak:
If you think you would probably get this movie...
Andrew Adams:
We're probably going to get into some spoilers.
Jeremy Lesniak:
You know also just; I don't think so. I think that if you ask someone, there's a movie that has martial arts and it's called the best of the best. What do you think the plot is? I bet most people would get 75 percent of the way there.
Andrew Adams:
Fair enough. Fair enough.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I think they would hit the high points. Especially, if they've seen other martial arts movies, now here's an important piece. The entire filming was done in less than 2 months. Yeah, it was released in theaters, 7 months after that. What does that tell me? This was a pretty low budget film.
Andrew Adams:
They don't have to change perfection, Jeremy. They have to rush it because it was perfect already.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Now, they are perfectly imperfect. And so, I'm watching this movie and I'm realizing that it's this really interesting intersection of a bunch of very strange things. And No. No disrespect to what’s his name? Phillip Rhee? Yes, this is the star of the film who also wrote the script. He wrote a script so we could start a movie. I would totally do that. I would absolutely do that. I have friends who have been in movies. None of them have won awards for their acting. But I would still love to do it. I would be happy to be in a film and act terribly because I'm not an actor. But here's the thing, if you're going to have a martial arts movie, you should at least have some reasonable quality martial arts for more than 2 people in the entire film. Yeah, I would say 2.5., I would say the woman despite having the widest, I'm pretty sure made of denim belt. Yep, there was something really weird about that belt. I don't think it was that the actual martial arts belt. I think they so, like a couple wrapped in straps together. And putting it around the waist. Although I know it’s not Thai Karate.
Andrew Adams:
There should be no problem.
Jeremy Lesniak:
She showed some competency. But everybody else, there must not have been much training for. Hey, here's how you do this.
Andrew Adams:
And the lead character, Phillip Rhee and who he fights at the end.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Simon Rhee.
Andrew Adams:
His brother, right? Their martial arts were legit like without a doubt for sure.
Jeremy Lesniak:
They were skilled at it. Really came through. I was appreciative when we got to that fight.
Andrew Adams:
I would say and I didn't find anything on this. And maybe you did in your research by watching it. I specifically looked at the best time and I first saw this movie in high school. Right? I just started out training, that might be where some of my nostalgia comes from for sure and I recognize that. But in watching it this time, I made a point to watch the fight scenes to be able to determine if they used stunt doubles or did the actors, Sean Penn or Chris Penn, really do his fight scenes? And from what I can tell by watching it, there weren't a lot of cuts. I do, I think they legitimately did their own things, they're fighting and I think the most of the actors on the taekwondo exhibition team, the Korean team, I think we're martial artists. Yes, and obviously Phillip Rhee is, Eric Roberts does have some degree of training. I believe he’s a black belt in taekwondo.
Jeremy Lesniak:
But I would assume that rate came after this film.
Andrew Adams:
I don't know. But the rest of them you know Chris Penn, John Dye, given their best, I mean, they were throwaway characters but will you know, they did a good job. I think of fleshing out. Philip Rhee’s character and Eric Robertson's character but the other 3 on the team were, you know, pretty much throwaway characters for sure.
Jeremy Lesniak:
It was really clear to me that this entire movie was, how do we make rocky? That's not completely derivative.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah. I would agree.
Jeremy Lesniak:
And if you watch the training, you watch any of it, they wanted this to be a boxing movie. How do we make a rocky rip off? That is a good cost as much money? That's what did it and it shows. You look at the way they train, you look at the way James Earl Jones character talks to them. There's a boxing ring. They're wearing, they're using boxing pads and then, yeah, gear availability was different in the 80’s. I understand. I trained and I know.
Andrew Adams:
They didn't have whistlekick here.
Jeremy Lesniak:
They did not have whistlekick gear. But there were options and I didn't see, you know, it's clear Adidas paid some money toward this movie and if you look at everything else, they were doing their best to hide logos. But I think my issues with the movie are much more fundamentally. It's not the way it was implemented. It was the philosophical aspects. We saw... How many martial artists, you know they got names, you know you got the 5 guys on the Korean team, we got the 5 guys on the American/North American karate/martial arts team. Depending on where you are in the film. they use those terms interchangeably which drove me insane. How many of them were jerks and did not represent the martial arts ethos that we've all grown up with understanding is coming to even beyond in what we do. Most people who train, become better people. Most people, I've been to plenty of competitions, the vast majority of people even at the highest levels are good people. And so, here we have this film. Where even in the beginning, we're seeing people being complete jerks. And it really bothered me. In fact, I guess I think I had a note somewhere in here that this movie set martial arts back.
Andrew Adams:
Interesting. See, I am speaking specifically of Chris Penn's character, Travis, not just him but yes, yeah because one could make the argument that he by the end of the movie definitely turned around.
Jeremy Lesniak:
And got a little better. Yeah, I wouldn't call that turned around.
Jeremy Lesniak:
And got a little better. Yeah, I wouldn't call that turned around.
Andrew Adams:
Well, we don't know what happened after because I'm choosing to ignore the Best Of the Best 2, 3 and 4.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I haven't seen them,
Andrew Adams:
Don't. Yes, Jeremy.
Jeremy Lesniak:
They are worse.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah, they are. I love you too much to make you watch that. Don’t worry.
Jeremy Lesniak:
and I, you know what? Now, I am actually more interested in that statement because I kind of want to see how it gets worse. I think, you know, what other things to know? I think this scheme is an interesting time because it was released in 89. Obviously, I don't know. When filled rewrote the script but the timing of this falls right on the heels. Taekwondo Inclusion in the summer Olympics as a demonstration sport. 1988 is when that first happened. So, we have this. Will be releasing it in November of 89. He very well may have watched the Olympics and said “you know what? I bet we can do something with the timing of this. And so, from that position, I did it right. I like the fact that there was an effort to put martial arts more front and center for people. In 2015, he did say that he's trying to get a reboot off the ground.
Andrew Adams:
I did see that.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I don't know how I feel about that. I don't know if I'm wanting or not wanting that.
Andrew Adams:
I've watched it.
Jeremy Lesniak:
[00:13:44-00:13:46] Julia Roberts’ brother has over 600 acting credits.
Andrew Adams:
He's done a lot.
Jeremy Lesniak:
And if you look at them, almost none of them are significant. I didn't look at all of them because it's too many.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak:
But he'll have 10-12 credits per year. You know, as he's doing the small parts in voice overs.
Andrew Adams:
I don't know much that he's done that. He is the lead and he did a great movie on Sensing. Got by the sword those readers get. Apparently, Jeremy, you're not going to take my word for.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I'm not going to just take your recommendation on movies ever.
Andrew Adams:
But yeah, he is a big factor in terms of the credits that he has. But he's not a leading actor, right?
Jeremy Lesniak:
I had an issue with the choreography because there were so many wrestling movements.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah, yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I don't know what was going on. I don't know who choreographed the stuff and I tried it again. It was a small stunt which I was actually really impressed with. But it is a great example towards the end, where they were breaking blocks. If you watch the dude with the cowboy hat, what was his name?
Andrew Adams:
[00:15:15-00:15:18]
Jeremy Lesniak:
Travis is a character and the way he steps up to break, you know, it's a stack of concrete slabs which I'm pretty sure we're made of foam but if you watch the trajectory of his hands, he wasn't hitting with the proper knuckles. He was hitting with the next knuckles down. He would have obliterated his hand. And you can see that just before they caught up the shot. And so, little things like that make me sick. Wait a second. You could have edited that a little bit better so it would have been quite as obvious. And anybody who's been following the show for a long time knows that I'm incredibly passionate about martial arts. I am very protective of it. And I am not someone who says this is the right way, this is the wrong way. But if you're demonstrating breaking and it is obvious that the characters’ competency and you're demonstrating that character in the film is breaking 6’8, 1-inch concrete pavers with spacers up. Their hand positioning would clearly break their hands. That's wrong. I'm willing to go on record saying that's wrong and it's lazy filmmaking and it bothers me. I can't imagine anybody would watch this film. Especially, back then being fairly new to martial arts because remember you know prior to the 80s, most people's exposure to martial arts culture came from a handful movies. It was Bruce Lee; it was Billy Jack stuff. A bunch people had seen. You know, kung fu theater stuff on Saturdays or maybe you know they've lived somewhere where there's a theater showing this film. With those that were distant enough from reality the people work saying, you know what? I don't want to do this. I don't want to distance myself from this.” They were making a judgment based on reality and yet here we have people. Some of them may have seen taekwondo in the Olympics in 88 and then they watch this film and they say everybody in this movie is a jerk. I want to cuss here but we don't do that on the show. Everybody in this movie is a jerk. I don't want to do this and I don't want my children involved in this. And that's really where I struggle.
Andrew Adams:
All right. I get that point. Yeah. I can see where you're coming from. You know when I first saw this, I was in high school. So arguably, I was already a teenager. So, it didn't affect me in that way. You know for me, what gets me is every time and this is no exception. I watched this you know last week, no exception. The end of the movie, I get choked up. Every time.
Jeremy Lesniak:
And it's interesting you bring that up because that moment with Eric Roberts with you know, the hair. I had to admit that I felt emotional about this and whether it was the mild amount of character development they had done for him or the fact that there's really nothing like in 80s training montage to get you pumped up. But here, you know we've got the conflict kind of crescendo towards the end. And he got pretty over common. You know, this is standard in any of these martial arts films. Really. Especially any to have competition in them. And I felt myself getting a little emotional too and it's funny to bring that up because I noticed that about myself and I was surprised. I was really interested that this happened. It made me break out. Is this movie bad or is it so bad that it's good? Does it manage to come back around because everything else is secondary to a few moments like this that resonate. And there's some humanity to them and I'm fully aware that. You know, that happened for me. What do you think?
Andrew Adams:
It could be. I mean, I'll tell you why. I remember pretty vividly. I remember where we were living at the time. When I was in high school, I watched this movie and I thought it was so good. I wanted to share with my mom and my mom is like okay because you know, she’s my mom. She loves me and she saw that this is a movie that I really wanted her to watch. And so, my mom who knows nothing about martial arts, other than she would bring me the dojo, 3 times a week. You know, I didn't train herself and we sat down to watch this and she cried at the end.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Interesting.
Andrew Adams:
So, I remember that and I remember crying too. And even, I mean, I didn't cry when I watched it last week but I definitely got choked up as this is an emotional ending. You know when Dae Han limps his way over to Tommy to give him his metal which he didn't have to do. I mean he didn't, right. He didn't. I mean one could make the argument. You did when Tommy, he really did but he didn’t, you know that’s emotional and you know that to me, that brings it around at the end.
Jeremy Lesniak:
And I think that's, you know, it's funny as we're talking this out. And I'm kind of reflecting on the film. The last 15 minutes of the film is really all that matters. Yeah, but yet, without the first hour and 15 minutes, that last 15 doesn't do anything. It doesn't make any sense. So, I wrote down the last fight scene. Despite the fact that, you know, you have to have taekwondo practitioners to do a fair amount of non-taekwondo which I found interesting, I'm not going to critique it. It was at least quality movement. But there was that moment and I don't want to give this way because this is a big spoiler. With that match does not end the way anyone would have imagined.
Andrew Adams:
Yep.
Jeremy Lesniak:
If you were to predict what was going on with this film, there's no way you're getting that. It's not quite a twist that is surprising.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak:
And I think that for that reason alone. I think everything leads up to that moment and yeah, there are a lot of ways. It could've been done better, could build the backstory more, could have had more but I suspect that a lot of this was restricted by budget. You know, whoever produced the film probably said “you know, we've got a hole in the production schedule. We've got this budget over here, we've got a November release that maybe fell through and if you can get this done, we'll put it out.”. That's my suspicion on how all this went but yeah it could be anything to validate that.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah, it could be. The movie also had, I thought, some really good quotes. Okay, probably my favorite one is that a team is not a team if you don't give a damn about one another. I love that quote. I really do because I think it's true, if you don't care about the people, you're with. Right? And that's true, whether we're talking about in this case, the U. S. national karate team or whether you're talking soccer or right, you know what, whatever.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I agree and then the team dynamic is something that I think martial arts schools could lead into a little bit more. You know it, yes, it is an individual sport or hobby or whatever you want to call it. But it's really hard to progress without the dedication of other people along that path and I like that they brought that out, at least a little.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah, yeah. I thought that was good and there were some funny quotes as well you know Vergil talking to Sonny Grosso and Sonny was like “you know, I'm Sonny Grasso, I'm Italian” and Virgil saying “I used to be Italian and now, I’m Buddhist. I'm just kidding. I was never Italian.”. That was a funny line.
Jeremy Lesniak:
There was some humor. There was definitely that 80s cheesy humor and you know, I kind of wish I watched it back in the 80s. Yeah, I really do. I think it would've landed better and maybe I need to watch it again because I had a similar experience the first time, I watched the Princess Bride which I watched into my 20s. I hated it. When I watched it again like a year ago and I said I'm going to really work hard to pretend I'm 10 years old and watch this again. Yeah, it was a far better experience.
Andrew Adams:
Yep, I'm curious what you thought, I mean I know you're not a fan of the martial arts they did but Eric Roberts’ character, the hair guy.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Right, the hair guy. So much hair.
Andrew Adams:
His fighting stance was very unique and I think that they did it that way. I think to show, because he had had shoulder surgery on his right arm in the movie. Not in real life, right. So, he, you know, he had to change up how he fought which I thought was interesting because as I understand it because Bill Superfoot Wallace did the same thing. Essentially.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yes, yes. The reason Bill fights with the side stances is because of an injury to his right knee from judo. He just caught a bad throw. It looks like Eric Roberts wanted to fight in a boxing stance and they kind of tweaked it from there. You know, they definitely talked a lot about his injury and how that was relevant. Of course, you know that's going to play and towards the end you know they foreshadow. That’s pretty hard. Yeah, I'll admit there were points I had to make in the middle of the fight. I had to turn away. I was disgusted. I really was. Some of the choreography was so atrocious. It angered me. It really did like I hate you. You know it because and here's why, it would not have been that hard to make some adjustments to make things a little more accurate.
Andrew Adams:
That's fair, that's a fair assessment.
Jeremy Lesniak:
It is not hard for me to teach someone how to throw a back fist and reverse punch and a front kick.
Andrew Adams:
And keep your hands up.
Jeremy Lesniak:
And keep your hands up and I could choreograph a better fight with back fist, reverse punch, front kick then at least 2 of the 5 people on the American team.
Andrew Adams:
Yep, that's very straight. I'll give you that.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Right and so that's what bothers me. I know that achieving a high level of choreography and really making a great fight scene is a call to work. But making a possible fight scene is not. And they didn't even get to that level most of the time. And that really frustrated me. I love the pressure sensitive back. I haven't seen one of those in years. I don't think anybody sells them anymore. The one the tracks pounds of force.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah, we broke one in our dojo.
Jeremy Lesniak:
And that's why nobody has a lot because whoever was making them stopped selling them and everybody broke them. Yeah, because everybody would line up and drew really with the biggest cider roundhouse.
Andrew Adams:
So, I want to talk a little bit about one more point. I wanted to discuss the bar fight. One of the things that I really enjoyed about the bar fight was it, first off, it happened because Travis would be a jerk right now. And I get that. I recognize that. But I thought Philip Rhee’s character, Tommy, did a good job of at least trying and it showed how he was trying to deescalate the situation. You know he did the thing where the roundhouse kicked the cigarette out of the guy's mouth. And then back to, I showed him a move like this is what I could do like I could kick your face, basically. Kicks it out of his mouth and then starts the back way and says “you know, we're not here. you know, we don’t want to fight” And you know some other people came up but I thought that was good. He did a good job of at least attempting to deescalate the situation. You know, it's going how he didn't want to fight. Right?
Jeremy Lesniak:
I think I have a different perspective on the movie. Just as you said that what if I consider Phillip Rhee's character, the only martial artist.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah, that's fair.
Jeremy Lesniak:
If I do that, it completely changes things for me because even in the bar at the end of that fight, James Earl Jones smiles. Probably knowing they were going to get into a bar fight.
Andrew Adams:
And that was one of my notes. I think the coach will let them have the bar fight just to see if they would work as a team. Which is not a good thing to have happen.
Jeremy Lesniak:
No. because it's not martial arts. It's gross. And it's not literal team combat. It's not 5 on 5 at the same time. Right? So, the demonstration of those skills is terribly relevant. The idea that they're getting each other's back, I can see that there are a lot of other ways you could have done.
Andrew Adams:
Absolutely.
Jeremy Lesniak:
You know you could do some trust falls in several courses. Yep, yep. We all did those at some point. Right? High level or corporate events or whatever.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah, I also found it interesting that there were no women in the tournament to pick the U. S. team. I don't know if you noticed that.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I did and again, that's kind of what... If I remember correctly, when taekwondo launched in 88, wasn't it only men? I don't recall there being any women at all. Now, I might be wrong. If I'm wrong, I apologize. But that's… Wait, where's my phone? I will look that up.
Andrew Adams:
And I don't even mean [00:28:32-00:28:35] I mean the U. S. team as well. I mean they have a huge tournament. You know in the U. S. to pick the 5 people that are going to be in the U. S. national karate Team. Which I also found interesting that they were going to be taking place in a taekwondo exhibition match. I definitely felt a little strange but you know what? When they're picking them after the tournament happens, you know all 300 of them or whatever are sitting on the floor and not 1 of them is female. Which I found interesting.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I take it back, 1988, from when I'm catching here really quick, there were women in 88. Okay so, women did exist in 1988. Women did do martial arts in 1988-89. Yes, yes. I can... Not only do we, not only did I experience that. We have proof, a media proof, that happened. Again, I think it would have been a more complex movie that they would have had to figure out because you know, one thing, that's really interesting in this field. There's no romance.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah. you're right.
Jeremy Lesniak:
There's no romantic story which is really rare in any kind of film.
Andrew Adams:
Yep, yep, the only other trivia thing I'll put out because not everyone will necessarily read the IMDB and do the research that we did. It was interesting to see the connection between actors in this movie and the Friday the 13th movie.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I don't watch those movies.
Andrew Adams:
I don't either.
Jeremy Lesniak:
It went live in the woods already. I don't need to. I don't need to be terrified.
Andrew Adams:
The character that the actor that Travis gets in a fight with the bar, Bert is real name, in the movie his name is Bert. I can't remember what his real name is but he is the actor that plays Jason in the Friday the 13th movies.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I didn’t know that, yeah.
Andrew Adams:
And the woman, there's a woman in that bar scene as well, Melanie Kinnaman, who I believe is the girl that Virgil dancing with. She was on Friday the 13th, number 5. That’s just interesting.
Jeremy Lesniak:
It’s a deep cut trivia right there.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah, right there.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Right, I think we kicked this horse enough.
Andrew Adams:
Well, probably I could check it out for another hour but I don't know.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I can’t. I don't have it in me.
Andrew Adams:
That's fair.
Jeremy Lesniak:
So, if anybody out there wants to kick the dead horse of the best of the best with Andrew…
Andrew Adams:
Please do.
Jeremy Lesniak:
A reprise of this discussion, we'll bring you on. I'll probably step out of that one or maybe I’ll moderate. I don't know. I’ll do something. I hope I never have to watch it again.
Andrew Adams:
But you have to watch it again to see if you have the same feeling.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I don’t know if I can.
Andrew Adams:
Maybe the next episode would be the best to get it. You know what, Jeremy? You can watch it very well.
Jeremy Lesniak:
It’s on my computer.
Andrew Adams:
Really? Where did you find it? I’ll find it. I’m going to watch it for fun.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I’ve got 4 of them.
Andrew Adams:
Oh my god.
Jeremy Lesniak:
I got them. Don’t worry. You can find anything if you try hard enough.
Andrew Adams:
Fair enough.
Jeremy Lesniak:
So, thank you. Thank you for the conversation and your research and your encouragement to watch it. Even if I strongly dislike it, even if I strongly disliked it, it's still part of martial arts culture. It occupies a place and I'm going to guess that if you haven't watched it, listeners/viewers, that we have sparked your interest either because Andrew really loves it or because I really hate it and for one of those reasons maybe both you're going to be interested in checking it out. So, have at it. If you want to see notes…
Andrew Adams:
Maybe Jeremy, maybe in a month or so, we'll put a pull up on the Facebook page. Did you like the movie? Yes or No.
Jeremy Lesniak:
Yes, that's a good call.
Andrew Adams:
Yeah, let's do that.
Jeremy Lesniak:
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