Episode 1010 - “Mama G” Germon Moriniere Bey
In this episode, Jeremy sits down and talks with Germon Moriniere Bey also known as “Mama G” about her introduction to martial arts, the darkness of fairy tales as well as the representation of African heritage in modern media.
“Mama G” Germon Moriniere Bey - Episode 1010
SUMMARY
In this episode, Jeremy engages in a deep conversation with “Mama G” Germon Moriniere Bey, exploring the nuances of martial arts and martial science. They discuss the importance of authenticity in conversations, the distinction between self-defense and self-preservation, and Mama G's personal journey into African martial sciences.
The conversation also touches on historical contexts, cultural representation, and the significance of competition in martial arts. Mama G's unique experiences and insights provide a rich perspective on the evolution and understanding of martial arts today. In this engaging conversation, she shares her profound insights on the legacy of martial arts, particularly the influence of Peter Urban, the challenges of being an anomaly in the martial arts world, and the importance of documenting and sharing knowledge.
She discusses the darker aspects of fairy tales and their implications in martial arts, the representation of African heritage in modern media, and the significance of understanding history in martial arts practice. Germon also reflects on her personal journey, experiences in competition, and the impact of gun culture on youth, emphasizing the need for self-defense education and the importance of staying true to one's nature.
TAKEAWAYS
Martial arts can be viewed as both an art and a science.
Self-preservation is a proactive approach compared to self-defense.
Mama G's grandmother played a significant role in shaping her perspective.
The journey into martial arts often stems from personal experiences and challenges.
Historical context is crucial in understanding martial arts traditions.
Competition can serve as a means to validate skills and earn a living.
Cultural representation in martial arts is important for future generations.
Peter Urban's legacy is significant in martial arts history.
Documenting martial arts knowledge is essential for future generations.
Fairy tales often have darker lessons relevant to martial arts.
Media representation of African heritage is crucial for cultural identity.
Understanding history enhances martial arts training and practice.
Cultural identity can play a vital role in martial arts.
Media can distort perceptions of martial arts traditions.
Self-defense education is critical in today's society.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:00 Exploring Martial Arts and Martial Science
05:04 Self-Preservation vs. Self-Defense
7:48 Mama G’s Origin Story and Early Experiences
19:58 The Journey into African Martial Sciences
24:02 Historical Context of African Martial Arts
31:07 Competition and Cultural Representation in Martial Arts
39:20 Legacy of Peter Urban and Martial Arts History
40:58 The Anomaly of Skill and Personal Challenges
44:07 Documenting and Sharing Martial Arts Knowledge
47:00 The Dark Side of Fairy Tales and Martial Arts
50:00 Revisiting African Heritage in Modern Media
53:11 The Importance of History in Martial Arts
56:00 Navigating Cultural Identity in Martial Arts
59:07 The Role of Media in Shaping Martial Arts Perception
01:01:56 Experiences in Competition and Gender Dynamics
01:05:53 The Reality of Combat and Self-Defense
01:07:59 The Impact of Gun Culture on Youth
01:10:59 Reflections on Personal Journey and Future Goals
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Show Transcript
Jeremy Lesniak (03:55.838)
What's happening everybody welcome? It's another episode of whistle kick martial arts radio and today I'm joined by mama G Mama G Thanks for being here looking forward to this so glad you're here and For everybody out there, please keep in mind whistle kick martial arts radio comm is the place to go for all the things that we do with this show Show notes transcripts links if you want to visit one of our sponsors or partners you can do that over there
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for % off your order. Every belt they make is made in the US. And I've got a whole stack of notes over here, more things that I could say, but just know they're an awesome company. We're proud to work with them. And with that, also proud to work with, Mama G, thanks for being here. I've been looking forward to talking to you. Andrew sent me a message and said, do you know who I booked? And I was stoked because I've been aware of you for a little while and just super excited. Thanks for being here.
Germon Moriniere Bey (05:32.532)
thank you, thank you.
Germon Moriniere Bey (05:43.211)
Thank you.
I appreciate that very much. I like that. I may bite off of that, that I'm aware of things. I like that. Yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak (05:55.968)
Yeah!
trained at a martial arts school for a few years that they didn't like to use the word no because they thought, know, to know something is to be really deeply immersed in it. So they would say, I'm aware of it. How are you doing with your second form? I'm aware of it.
Germon Moriniere Bey (06:05.892)
Ah, I understand.
Germon Moriniere Bey (06:14.723)
I would.
Germon Moriniere Bey (06:18.5)
Yes, I will definitely buy off of that definitely. Yes, sir. Okay
Jeremy Lesniak (06:23.502)
Please do. Please do. So where should we start today? How do we start talking about you? Do we want to start chronologically? What do you want to do?
Germon Moriniere Bey (06:31.168)
Hmm, me? okay. I would say that I am blessed that I, how can I say this, was able to have a grandmother who stayed in this physical world until she was 102.
So I have a lot of her knowledge, how to handle the good, the bad, the almost there. And I think in a lot of ways, her knowledge, her enthusiasm is something that really motivated me in regard to, as I may say, the Marshall-
And we will have a great day.
Jeremy Lesniak (07:31.566)
I saw your use of that word in your notes. That's a distinction I'm seeing more more people make. What does that mean to you? What's the difference between martial arts and martial science?
Germon Moriniere Bey (07:40.26)
Yes.
Okay. I'm also a ballet dancer. Okay. Over the years. And the important thing, looking at the word art, arts are things that you present. You're presenting dance or music or the combat. Now, science is an application of some.
Jeremy Lesniak (07:50.582)
Okay.
Germon Moriniere Bey (08:12.548)
thing. I'm going to use this now. I'm going to run and do this kick and hit somebody upside the head with it. Now, an art is means you demonstrate. So that has been the difference when I present to somebody. A lot of people go, wow, combat sciences. I said, yes, that's what it's all about.
if you're going to try to, how can I care for this? People are listening to me. If you have to use your skill, it's no longer an art. It's a science.
Jeremy Lesniak (09:04.205)
So for a lot of the people watching or listening, might they be doing both?
Germon Moriniere Bey (09:07.755)
Uh-huh.
Germon Moriniere Bey (09:11.914)
They can be doing both. They can. What do we call these? Sport competitions are more an art because everyone's getting it because you don't want to hurt anybody. Everybody is getting along. You have, and again, I'll speak a little bit more about this. People speak of self-defense. I speak of self-preservation.
Jeremy Lesniak (09:14.35)
Okay.
Jeremy Lesniak (09:40.334)
Mmm.
Germon Moriniere Bey (09:41.642)
Again, there's a big difference. Self-defense means that the person has already touched you. Now, I want to perceive the situation before the attack or before whatever is going to happen. So, I used to watch a lot of movies where they had
Jeremy Lesniak (09:46.059)
Yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak (10:04.856)
makes sense.
Germon Moriniere Bey (10:10.402)
battle scenes. You know, I'm a firm believer that if we're going to war, then those people who want to fight can come out on the field and do whatever they're going to do. And the rest of us can sit up in the stand, like in the Coliseum and cheer them on.
So I'm a very combat directed person and there's a reason for that.
Jeremy Lesniak (10:42.158)
And I'm glad you say that because your voice and, know, granted we're doing this over the internet, but your energy doesn't suggest you being a terribly violent, aggressive person. But you're talking about things in a, I think a more combative focused way, a more, if I can, violent focused way than a lot of the guests we have on the show. And so there's a bit of a disconnect there for me.
Germon Moriniere Bey (10:47.652)
Thank you.
Germon Moriniere Bey (10:56.26)
Yeah.
Germon Moriniere Bey (11:08.036)
Right. Are you familiar with the concept again of chess?
Jeremy Lesniak (11:18.07)
Of Yeah. Yeah.
Germon Moriniere Bey (11:18.84)
Yes, okay. That is something that's essential, especially in the martial science. It's strategy. It's okay, I have eight different kicks, but I may only be able to use three in regard to whoever the opponent is. So if we look at the strategy of chess, you have so many techniques, some you learn.
Jeremy Lesniak (11:27.438)
Mm.
Jeremy Lesniak (11:35.32)
Hmm.
Germon Moriniere Bey (11:48.164)
which you'll never use, but it's part of whatever system you're learning. And a lot of when, well, I'm 72, you know, really happy with it. I'm an elder now. I'm going to say this and I hope people get a good laugh out of it.
Life without parole doesn't mean anything to me anymore.
Yeah, okay, whatever. So I put that in some people's minds to let them know that gives them a real yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak (12:33.866)
That might be the funniest thing that has ever happened on this show. We've had some good moments.
Germon Moriniere Bey (12:40.74)
yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak (12:45.102)
But, but, you know, what if you lived to 102?
Germon Moriniere Bey (12:49.084)
Well, if I lived for that, right, I think everybody will take very, very good care of me, right? You know, because you have a lot of life learning, a lot of life learning. So I'm blessed. I guess what I'll do, a lot of people went, how did you get into, how did I get into all this?
Jeremy Lesniak (13:14.705)
What's your origin story?
Germon Moriniere Bey (13:16.16)
My origin story. Okay. There was a time I didn't listen to my grandmother. And, you know, when you're, you just get out of college and you think you all that and you, I got it together. Yes. I am a Black Panther. I say I am because I followed it. I did it in college.
I went to University of Pennsylvania in Philly, North Philly, yeah, you know, the guys that I eventually trained with were from that area of the city. The gentleman, and I use that term loosely, who I met, yes, well, I'll back up a little bit. I went to a Catholic school for all my education, Sicilian Academy.
Philadelphia, and we were a little clueless in regard to life. I think of the Harry Potter type environment, uniforms, all like that. So by the time I got out and met men, whoa, I didn't pick the right one. He was...
18 years older than me and came to find out he was a very violent person. Straight out because the information is there. I have a manuscript as they say. He maintained a sense of me being jailed in the house with the two kids.
and he would beat me incessantly. He broke my back. He, yeah, it was pretty violent in there. And in the house, I was terrified. I said, if I go outside, you know, he'll eventually find me and kill me. But then the creator stepped in and...
Germon Moriniere Bey (15:39.956)
On the day that he decided that I was to die, I didn't. And I jumped out the window. I had to tie my children in the playpen so they couldn't follow me. And I walked seven blocks to the hospital.
And it was the nurse in the emergency room who said, you got to do something about this. She said, next time they're going to bring you in a bag. went, okay, I got this. So I basically told my grandmother, I'm going to run away for a while. I'm going to hide in the streets, which is what I did. Women's shelter.
slept on the subway with my kids, and as they say, yada, yada, yada. Then I met the members of Vida Saana African Fighting System. People go, what's that?
Jeremy Lesniak (16:47.63)
I just want to get a mark on the calendar here. I'm doing some math. So this is early to mid 70s.
Germon Moriniere Bey (16:55.588)
Yes, it is about, oh, by then when I met them, it was about 1978. Because when I was in the women's shelter, we were, my children were very young. That's a blessing. They don't remember any of this. Absolutely none of it. And when I have to,
birth sons and they were, I used to tell them we're going on a journey and get on the subway and ride the subway and sleep and have fun. I lost my roommate was in the women's shelter. God bless the ancestor. She was killed by her husband. And I said, no, I'm.
not doing that. And I went looking, because I had seen a karate movie. I said, I'm gonna go learn. I'm gonna go. Okay, it was the, it was a guy and a woman, and they were in a forest somewhere or something. I think, I think
Jeremy Lesniak (18:06.104)
Which one?
Germon Moriniere Bey (18:22.872)
He was, it was a Japanese, he looked like a samurai. I remember, I kind of remember the movie and she was incredible. It wasn't like Karen Shepard or anybody more modern. It was before. And she was great. She was fighting and swinging in the trees. said, I'ma learn to do that. And what really motivated me was I went to see my grandmother.
that night and I said, you know, I'm gonna learn how to do karate. And she's like, mm-hmm, okay, no problem. Right? And all of a sudden there was a banging on the door. My ex had found out where I was and he's banging on the door and he's trying to get in and he's kicking the door and we're holding the door and I said, call the cops.
Holy gods, he's here, he's gonna kill us all. And she said, open the door. I was like, what? Step away from the door. was like, lady, do you understand what I'm telling you, right? She said, step aside. I stepped aside, he kicked the door in, and she pulled out the chainsaw. I went.
self-preservation. That's everything.
Jeremy Lesniak (19:56.301)
That is a good illustration of self-preservation versus self-defense.
Germon Moriniere Bey (20:00.124)
Right, right. And she was swinging it and he was running for his life and he ran out the door. And that was, I was like, aha, I got it. So I said, maybe swinging through the trees isn't it? But I started walking the streets in North Philadelphia, just looking. And I met one of the brothers.
And his name was Bazil. And Bazil said, hey, what's up? I was like, oh, yeah. Now here I am, I was kind of, how could you say? Not streetwise, that's at all. I was like, oh God, oh goodness, now what do I do? He said, what's wrong? I said, there's somebody trying to kill me. He said, okay, come with me. And they...
we're at the temple of the black Messiah, which is right temple university now. And I went in there and these are these huge big black men who were in there and they said, by the way, I'm part Ethiopian Jewish, but anyway. So I walk in and they tease you back then and they said,
and what are we gonna do with this little half-breed? I said, I need to learn how to kill. They were like, I said, don't wanna, hi-yah, I don't wanna, I wanna know how to kill. They're like, yeah, this is a real one here, right? And that's how it all started that day. And...
I went home very happy. We had our little basement apartment by then. had moved. I had a job now. I put that education, I had a job. And he showed up again. The ex showed up. I was like, gosh darn, now what? I didn't know that those brothers had followed me home.
Germon Moriniere Bey (22:16.692)
And when he jumped out from behind the tree, they jumped out from behind the tree, laid his leg on the street. And I'm being honest, if anybody's listening, they laid his leg and they stepped on it and they broke it in half. My grandmother moved. She had the chainsaw, they broke a leg, right? And they told him, if you ever again,
Jeremy Lesniak (22:41.4)
Yeah.
Germon Moriniere Bey (22:46.35)
come near this woman, it won't be your leg. So I said, I like these guys. Right, right straight to the point. My grandmother had met them over there and she liked them too. You know, like that. So that's how it all started. And I trained.
five days a week.
After work, take my student, who were my children, on the bus, till like nine, 10 o'clock at night, and I would just cut, it would never happen to me again. That was it. I mean, my back is, when I go to different places, people can see my back. And they're like, wow. I said, no, that was just the beginning.
And I was crazy back then. By then it was like, I was insane. All I wanted to do was fight and how to, because it was never gonna happen again, never.
Jeremy Lesniak (23:47.598)
Also, what do mean by crazy?
Jeremy Lesniak (23:58.658)
Why?
Jeremy Lesniak (24:04.974)
So it wasn't that you wanted to fight because you wanted to hurt people, you wanted to fight because you wanted to practice, because you wanted to be sure that you'd be okay. Yeah.
Germon Moriniere Bey (24:11.232)
right. I wanted to be sure I had it right. And in the temple, the Black Messiah was very small place. when we, you had like 15 people in a very small room. So you learned how to duck and weave and because my, the head founder, he loved martial arts movies.
the Mangabrassa ancestor, J.C. and Wanzo. my gosh, he just loved them. So whatever you saw in the movies, he would come and have us do. But he was able to have met somebody who did the African combat sciences. And I said, well, how come we don't have this in the movies? So where did that all come from?
Hmm. Thus, my behavioral sciences, urban anthropology, energy came out and I started researching libraries. Back then it was the beginning of the revolution concepts. There were some books and I said, there's got to be more.
It's got to be. And that's what I did. I researched. And of course, people said, well, Africans could not have had martial arts. I said, everybody has some kind of fighting system. Everybody kicks derriere in a war. They just do.
hand to hand, they didn't have atom bombs and all that. You got out there and you fought. So, historically taking it all the way back, Africa is approximately 47,000 years old. So if we take it way, way back, we find different fighting systems. There are about 150,000
Germon Moriniere Bey (26:36.43)
D5 combat systems. they, okay, the names that people know are Shaka Zulu. The British did the series on that. Then everybody talks about Alexander of Greece. Well, Alexander of Greece ran into somebody. He ran into a woman who was not playing with him. She was a Candace.
Jeremy Lesniak (26:48.482)
Mm-hmm.
Germon Moriniere Bey (27:06.116)
and he rode in and there she sat with all her archers and all and said, nah, maybe I don't want to do this. Maybe I'm gonna leave this part of Africa alone. So he left. You have people speak about Hannibal. What people don't know is that Hannibal did not use African elephants. African elephants are very...
Jeremy Lesniak (27:24.727)
Mm-hmm.
Germon Moriniere Bey (27:34.806)
They have a bad attitude. They don't wanna, I'm not getting out there and fighting and getting scratched up. No, not doing it. So he reached out to the East Indian culture. Their elephants love to fight. Yeah, okay. Let's go stop somebody today, right? So he used Indian elephants.
Jeremy Lesniak (28:02.306)
Mm.
Germon Moriniere Bey (28:03.064)
and the historical value. The martial sciences that I found went from Africa to India. You have the great Sikh warriors. I mean, that's a whole nother thing there. And then into China. Why? Because of Kubla Khan. He was a businessman. He said, okay.
Come on, show me some stuff and travel. And that's how it moved. So I said, I'm going to be the one to bring African martial sciences to the world.
Jeremy Lesniak (28:33.208)
Hmm.
Jeremy Lesniak (28:49.87)
I want to pause there.
Germon Moriniere Bey (28:51.66)
Okay.
Jeremy Lesniak (28:53.454)
So, long time audience members know, you know, here we are, this is episode 1000 and something. We've had hundreds of people on the show who have trained in karate and taekwondo and a few dozen who have trained in judo and capoeira and probably even a dozen people who have trained in some of the historical European martial arts. If I'm remembering correctly, you are our third person to even have any firsthand experience.
Germon Moriniere Bey (28:59.937)
Okay.
Germon Moriniere Bey (29:06.209)
I'm gonna go
Germon Moriniere Bey (29:22.818)
Okay. Comet systems, yes sir.
Jeremy Lesniak (29:22.882)
with these traditional African martial combat systems. Which tells me that at the time you're making this choice, that this is what you're gonna do, you must have been kind of up against the wall in terms of resources. If somebody wanted to learn karate back then or judo or pretty much any other martial art, you had books available.
Germon Moriniere Bey (29:42.498)
Of course.
Germon Moriniere Bey (29:49.177)
Mm-hmm.
Right. Right.
Jeremy Lesniak (29:52.45)
there were some movies and if you asked around enough there were probably a few people you could go train with. And my understanding is that is not what was happening for these traditions you're talking about.
Germon Moriniere Bey (29:56.932)
Okay? Right.
Not at all. Not at all. In fact, at that time, there were five of us. We hadn't really all met yet. God rest the ancestor again, Kalindi Iyi, Detroit, Michigan, one of the most incredible African martial science teachers. Of course, Huanso.
Now you mentioned Capoeira, I'm gonna kinda put a little caveat in here. I used to always end up getting in fights because somebody, well, let me see what you got. I'm like, okay, come on to the floor. There's a gentleman by the name of Dennis Newsome. He's a mess train now. One of my dearest, dearest friends. Now.
I lived in Germany for five years and he had this thing about who is this woman who's out here doing this? And he had come to Germany and he said, I'm coming to handle, to fight you really. That's what he said. I said blank, blank, It was 80s. was 80s. I said blank, blank, Bring it.
Jeremy Lesniak (31:24.076)
This isn't 80s, this sounds so 80s.
Germon Moriniere Bey (31:30.468)
And there, there we are in the home of champions, Baumholder Germany in the gym. And he walks in and I'm ready. In fact, Ray Mercer was, was there at the time. So we got up in the ring, right? And Ray was like, deep, like, this is going to be good. Dennis.
tried to do a kick and I really tried to hurt him and he got up he said, wow you know what you're doing. I said yeah I do and he said wonderful this is really good and we can get along. I said of course we can we can get along now.
Jeremy Lesniak (32:19.928)
That's all it took. He just wanted to know that you knew what you were doing.
Germon Moriniere Bey (32:22.788)
Right, that's all it was. So, so even again with Capoeira, I did my research, found out, and I'm gonna say this again, I'm gonna say something, the woman king's a joke. Anyway, did I say that about the movie? Okay. And the reason I'm saying this is because,
Jeremy Lesniak (32:40.524)
You can, you can, this is your episode, you can say whatever you want.
Germon Moriniere Bey (32:52.484)
First of all, the Dahomey female warriors queen and Zynga where the Jynga came from. They were polyandrias. They were not virgins. Polyandrias means they had multiple husbands. But they couldn't put that in the movie.
So my, how can I say this? My journey was to find correct information for anything that was put in the media, especially for our young people. In the Dahomey Warriors and the slave trade and all that, I'm not even gonna get into that.
It went to South America, it went to the islands. My grandfather was from Martinique and you have Dombe. So I got some of that, I understood about that. So the history is very important.
They, how can I say, they concealed the African martial sciences. They did it for a reason.
Jeremy Lesniak (34:07.462)
So that's the story that most people are taught around Capoeira is the idea that we're taking some of these combative traditions, we're keeping some musical tradition, we're doing our best to hide. No, Capoeira as it is played as a game is not perfectly analogous to using it in combat, but
Germon Moriniere Bey (34:25.005)
right.
Germon Moriniere Bey (34:29.06)
Right. No. Right.
Jeremy Lesniak (34:34.664)
What I'm hearing you say is that there were other.
Let's call them implementations that were similar depending on the region. And that's where you started doing your research.
Germon Moriniere Bey (34:40.228)
That's where I started doing my research. Angolo is the predecessor to Capoeira and it comes from Angola. I have my research document letter from the country of Angola.
Jeremy Lesniak (35:07.67)
And there's still a style of capoeira that is called capoeira angola.
Germon Moriniere Bey (35:12.482)
this film, Capoeira Angola, and that's where it all came from. So I got to do that. Then I found out, cause you mentioned money. I like money. Money's cool. Money. What? You gotta eat. And my sons were going, they're teenagers now and they were always hungry. So I said, I gotta make some money. How can I make some money?
Jeremy Lesniak (35:18.19)
Hmm.
Jeremy Lesniak (35:26.734)
Money has to enter the equation somewhere because we've got to eat.
Germon Moriniere Bey (35:43.716)
competition, entering competition. So I started to go to the different events that they had in the States. And I even had my one ring on. This is from John Burdock, Baller Ball. And the reason I liked this so much, not only did I win the grand championship, but I made money. Now, let me stop.
Yes, yes, I'm gonna take it off now because it's real heavy so I was like This is great. I can go out here and teach And make money I Never wore a gi Didn't wear a belt and so I got a little bit of trouble sometimes when I come out dressed like that, you you right, you know
Jeremy Lesniak (36:14.35)
Also looks like we have a good mark on somebody's head.
Jeremy Lesniak (36:20.462)
You
Jeremy Lesniak (36:42.702)
Were you wearing? If not if not like a gi or something.
Germon Moriniere Bey (36:45.205)
African, depending on the system in relation to the culture, I would wear that outfit.
Jeremy Lesniak (36:55.374)
Okay, so you were taking what you were researching, practicing, training, and then implementing it, bringing it out to competition, not just authentically in the way you would use it, but in what you would wear to respect the regional differences. Okay, that's really cool.
Germon Moriniere Bey (36:59.245)
Yes.
Germon Moriniere Bey (37:12.26)
right, completely right from the differences. And I would put the face markings on, which terrified some people. Because the first thing they think, oh gosh, she's a witch. And I go, no, no, I'm not a witch. This is not it. You know, one day I was at East Coast competition, you know, and that's all I'll say. I'm not going to say where, but
my sons came running out of the dressing room. They had gone to change and come in there crying and the tears are and I'm like, what the heck is wrong with y'all? And they said, they're in there. They're talking about, cause I have, I have one that and they're talking about you and this is terrible. And they're calling you an itch. And I'm like, okay, what you go and do.
Jeremy Lesniak (38:00.003)
Hmm.
Germon Moriniere Bey (38:11.522)
is go back in there and you tell them to put doctor in front of that itch.
And they hauled butt across the floor. Yeah, she's doctor. Right? You know, and I'm like, did my kids really do this? Those four guys did not come out for an hour. Cause I sat right there and waited for them. I did. And, and they didn't come out. That's right. So, I, that anger.
Jeremy Lesniak (38:40.45)
People are brave behind closed doors.
Germon Moriniere Bey (38:48.302)
came out again. These videos are on YouTube. They're on me with the weapons. I thank Mwanso for liking weapons because I love all the movie stuff. I have high regard for Karen Sheppard. I've got, I had the opportunity to meet her and the hooks.
I'm very good at using the chain. I'm very good. Dennis Brown showed me some things. I was like, I can do the sit and all like that. Some people say, I'm full of entertainment. Trust me. I was at an event.
Jeremy Lesniak (39:35.958)
I can tell. I'm here too, know, I can have a good time.
Germon Moriniere Bey (39:42.38)
And I did the sit thing, you know, where you lay on your back and you roll with the chain. You seen, yeah, I know. And you jump up and down and doing all this. there was a man, was 85 years old. And he said, damn, I wish I was 40 again. I'd like to get a hold of that. Look at how she, and I'm like, I stopped. I said, you need to be quiet.
Jeremy Lesniak (39:47.996)
Hmm, I've seen that.
Germon Moriniere Bey (40:14.242)
He said, you're so powerful. I said, don't say it. Let it go. Right? And you're probably saying, I'll say if somebody wants to learn to use the chain, is it. My instructor, because I couldn't do it at first. I just couldn't get up off the ground. He said, you have children, right?
I said, yeah, he said, you had sex to have those kids? I went, yeah. He said, think about that. I went, okay, got it, push, got it, no problem. And yeah, I'm out there. But these are life lessons in regard to the martial sciences. Did I fight in competition? Heck yeah. Yeah, yeah, lots of trophies behind me and.
I had one young lady and the video is on YouTube. She was 19, sweet young girl. We were in Germany. And she said, I don't want to fight no old woman. Cause I was 32, 33. I was like, okay. I, she, yes. She said, I said,
Jeremy Lesniak (41:35.544)
Who was old? When did 32 become old?
Germon Moriniere Bey (41:41.55)
Cut me a break, let's just try it. And I hit her very hard within...
10 seconds. And she was very upset. And her instructor said, you didn't have to hit her that hard. I said, well, I'm old. I'm old. Remember? And he started laughing, I started laughing. Oh, and before I forget, the other great person in the whole thing is that
They're famous people who were at these competitions in the 80s. They were incredible. And they would stand on the side and they would teach. They would help you. So that's something that I really, they need to make a movie about those people, those great instructors.
who stood on the side and taught. Because that's how you really learn by listening to in the being. We didn't have head gear, hand gear back then. And that was a little rough. So, yeah. And I think I sent you one of my certificates from one, yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak (43:16.046)
Yeah, I've got one right here. We can link this in or out. This will be in the images.
Germon Moriniere Bey (43:20.568)
He even put his thumbprint on it.
Okay, yeah. You see it? Yes. There you go. There you go. And I talked to that. my gosh, we used to talk on the phone a lot. He said, you're doing really good. I'm proud of you. You're doing your history. You're, you're, you're giving more than just kicking punch. Peter Urban, just incredible.
Jeremy Lesniak (43:29.794)
Yeah, that's definitely signed by Peter Urban.
Jeremy Lesniak (43:53.71)
I mean, Peter Urban, certainly if anybody knows who he is, knows his passion for history within martial traditions, right? I mean, I can't imagine anyone, I could think of a couple people now, but I don't know that I can think of anyone from modern history that would more appreciate what you were doing than Peter Urban.
Germon Moriniere Bey (43:57.72)
Right. History.
Germon Moriniere Bey (44:14.616)
Right. He would, this is great, and he would clap, and he gave me that. It's not a rank. It's just to say that. Right.
Jeremy Lesniak (44:19.022)
Hmm
Jeremy Lesniak (44:23.214)
special special something special recognition
Germon Moriniere Bey (44:29.092)
special recognition, yes. And he was very pleased with it. The outfits I would wear and all like that. So I just wanted to throw that in there. There were people who understood history. I'll just say this. Did I ever get married again? Yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak (44:31.032)
is what I'm saying.
Germon Moriniere Bey (44:58.276)
many times. And it just it's kind of hard when you're an anomaly.
Jeremy Lesniak (45:07.79)
What do mean by that? What makes you an anomaly?
Germon Moriniere Bey (45:08.908)
Okay, technically, I should not be able to do the things I do. I should not have that, ugh, skill. I know where it came from, but it can be, it can mess you up for finding a date. And then when you,
Jeremy Lesniak (45:15.278)
Hmm.
Germon Moriniere Bey (45:38.272)
I remember going on a competition with a guy and I didn't tell him that I was a part of the competition. We're just laughing and talking and having a great time. And he pulls a green belt out. I went, that's so cool. That's really nice. And then we get there and he comes out in his gi and ties the belt on like, really nice.
and I had to go get changed and I come out with the weapons and stuff like that, right? And he's like, they call my name for Black Belt Division and now he's like, I'm like, well, I guess that's it, huh? Right? That can be very, very difficult. I've been married a few times.
Jeremy Lesniak (46:11.47)
Poor man. I feel so bad for him.
Germon Moriniere Bey (46:37.578)
And because of it, I'm an anomaly.
And it can be, my oldest son would say, my mom can kick your dad. I said, y'all need to stop saying that. had, but I had a father come up to the school one time and say, my son said that, your son said that you could, I said, sir, he didn't even know what he stayed. We're just let this go right now.
Jeremy Lesniak (46:56.023)
even if it's true.
Germon Moriniere Bey (47:13.102)
But this is how it is. It's a skill, it's a talent. But how can I put this? If I have to switch and become Jamala Maiisha, because that was my name, I am Eusi'u'alimu Jamala Maiisha. I was the first and only woman to bring African
martial sciences to the international level and take that Vita Saana test with those guys. And they beat the crap out of me. But you had to pay, if I wanted to get that title, you had to take the test. Had to.
It was was a, yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak (48:08.172)
As you're doing this research and this training and you're doing these competitions, I imagine that you're, you mentioned something earlier about documentation as well. You're writing this down, are you writing books? Are you giving seminars? Are you teaching classes? How are you spreading and sharing this?
Germon Moriniere Bey (48:21.923)
Yes.
Germon Moriniere Bey (48:26.5)
the young people who are part, well, we have an extent. The occur program eventually became the rich program, for students who, wanted to know more about history. And we've done video. We've done not major stuff. I have the things on the YouTube. I have a manuscript and I'm updating that.
to add on to it since we did that back in 2012. So I have to, that's been 10 years. let's see, how can I say this? I've seen a lot because of social media and what do they call it? AI. And, and I tell people you cannot catch a bullet in your teeth. That, that's not going to happen. I've seen people get hurt.
trying to emulate things in the movies. What is his, some of the great instructors, they tell you don't do, what you see on the movies is not real life. So you have to be careful with that.
weapons, the weapons that we use. The hooks, for example, I explain, see we put it, it's based on the law of motion, centrifugal force. It has a science behind it. There's nothing magical or mystical about it. I think some people, they think you're...
I don't know, you see things on these social media where the guys, the men, they use some air thing and the people fall over and all like this. I'm like, come on, really? Why are you gonna do that? Now I believe that there is kinetic energy. I do, I'm a scientist. Therefore, there's some things that may happen, but not.
Germon Moriniere Bey (50:50.55)
I hate Walt Disney. I'm going to say this out loud. I hate him. Let me tell you why I hate Walt Disney.
He took all the great moral stories, the teaching stories, like don't go in the forest because the wolf is there and the wolf will eat you up. The real teachers were brothers grim. I love horror movies. Yes, but they liked that to teach. And in their story, the little mermaid, she died.
Jeremy Lesniak (51:15.694)
If people know those stories, those stories are dark.
Germon Moriniere Bey (51:30.338)
Why? Because she went to the witch and got her legs and then tried to go get the print. He had married somebody else. Now she's hysterical. She runs, she jumps off the cliff and she drowns. Why? She'll never fin anymore. And these are how I try to show the young people. Walt Disney did that to make people feel good. Pocahontas was a real person.
She was kidnapped. She was taken to London. I go to London all the time. And she died a smallpox. She didn't live happily ever after. And with the flap, that didn't happen like that. So this is another thing in the martial art to the martial sciences we have to look at because it's never a happy ending. Anytime you start combat, there's never a happy ending.
You're going to have a winner and you're going to have somebody who gets their butt kicked. That's, that's just it. Thus the gladiators, thus the Coliseum. There can only be just one, but we, you know, it's, it's a totally different ballet is happy until you get your feet and your feet are all jacked up from the shoes. That's, that's, there's a bat.
to everything. And when they did Black Panther, and I said, wow, this is, this was cool.
Jeremy Lesniak (53:10.158)
As a Black Panther, what did you think of that movie? And the titling of that movie?
Germon Moriniere Bey (53:13.558)
They, okay, because it was a cartoon, comic, my young people illustrated, yeah, I got it, cartoon. That was okay. Panthers are black, okay, so they used an image. That's perfectly fine. They gave the, it's kinda like Coming to America.
you know, the image of Africa. We had palaces, we had money and you know, the Moors were very rich and blah, blah, blah. So no, we were not running around. Yeah.
Jeremy Lesniak (53:54.382)
man of all time adjusted for inflation and everything was was by far an African man. I'm trying to remember his name. Anyway.
Germon Moriniere Bey (53:59.364)
Right, right. well, they talk about Mansa Musa, but it wasn't him. It was his uncle, Abu Bakari. He had money. He would give money to everybody. And he ended up here in South Carolina. He brought ships over, but that's a whole, you know, their backstories. I love the backstory. So what we're looking at is
Jeremy Lesniak (54:10.722)
Hmm.
Germon Moriniere Bey (54:29.034)
Everybody has a past, an image. You have rich people everywhere. So the movie was to change the image of African descendants not being able to fight because the concept of slavery was so immersed that you had roots and stuff. Nothing wrong with that.
Nothing wrong with it, but let's show the other side. When I went to England, to London, you could not start there. What is that called when they have the jousting and everything? You could not start it without a more being there. You had, I have pictures of me at the Tower of London pulling a, what do call it? A catapult. Pulling it.
Jeremy Lesniak (55:01.591)
Hmm.
Germon Moriniere Bey (55:26.722)
And then they didn't put rocks on that. They put feces. Yes, that's what they put on it to make the people sick over the wall. They would take the stuff from people who died from those diseases and put it in. Yeah, not rocks. I was like, okay. But you had to have a more.
So there's history is so vital to know where something came from. Who was that? Yasuki? The young man who passed, who was in Black Panther.
the young man, he did a lot of movies. Chabot Boseman, he was working on Yasuki, the Japanese, the African who went there and became a samurai. There's a, in one of the temples, it says on the top, you can't be a samurai without a bit of black blood. And what they meant was African blood because of Yasuki.
Jeremy Lesniak (56:15.32)
Chadwick Boseman,
Jeremy Lesniak (56:20.238)
Hmm.
Jeremy Lesniak (56:26.157)
Hmm.
Germon Moriniere Bey (56:41.764)
this place wherever he was. And what the Japanese, when they saw him, they were trying to scrub his color off, because they had never seen that. So he tried to, he was trying to do that movie, he transitioned. know, prayerfully somebody will still do it. You know, history, history is so good. It's important.
Because if you don't do history, if you don't do it, then you miss the best part.
Why do you, you know, why do you do something if you don't know why you do it?
Jeremy Lesniak (57:28.59)
So let's let's connect some of these dots here, right? You're I think I think a lot of the people in the audience have had a.
Jeremy Lesniak (57:38.182)
Lower intensity version of your journey, right? The recognition that history matters, that discovering where things come from not only gives context for in an interesting academic way, but can help you better with the way you train and are able to use what you've learned.
Germon Moriniere Bey (57:40.014)
Mm-hmm. Yes.
Germon Moriniere Bey (57:56.057)
when
Jeremy Lesniak (58:05.198)
As well as the desire to advance things or rediscover things and take them and pass them on for others. Now, we talked towards the beginning that we've had very few folks from the African martial traditions come on this show.
Germon Moriniere Bey (58:09.572)
Who's here?
Germon Moriniere Bey (58:13.846)
Okay.
Germon Moriniere Bey (58:21.892)
Mm-hmm.
Jeremy Lesniak (58:26.368)
So what would you what would you advise everyone you know knowing that everybody that is is watching and listening today comes from such dramatically different traditions what what do you want them to take from from your life in your journey with all this.
Germon Moriniere Bey (58:34.689)
Okay.
Germon Moriniere Bey (58:43.876)
for them to understand that.
Okay, I'm gonna speak of another person. Victor Moore. Victor Moore. Okay.
Jeremy Lesniak (58:56.59)
Victor Moore's been on the show. I was very thankful to have that conversation with
Germon Moriniere Bey (58:59.321)
Peace.
He is funny. He is so funny. And I asked him, and you know, there are pictures now, there's film of him out there with Bruce Lee and all like, you know, I said, how did it feel when your hand touched his face? Yeah, I asked him that. went, felt good. I was like, okay.
Jeremy Lesniak (59:15.63)
Hmm?
Germon Moriniere Bey (59:30.294)
Why did it feel good? He said, it's kind of like, he says, kind of like somebody saying you can't do something and then you do it. Whether or not you do it ever again, doesn't matter. You did it, you did it then. I did it once, regardless. how can I, I want to be very careful, very careful, because I can be
I can get myself in hot water with this.
The people who were on your show, it just, you'll have to say names. It's my question. How long ago was this?
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:00:15.875)
and I'll
Jeremy Lesniak (01:00:16.212)
One, I'm remembering, and I think it was within two or three years.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:00:19.18)
Okay, now think about that. This has all come within the last 15 years, maybe, maybe, right, right, right. So now it's like, African, can talk about, no. When we did it, the few that were there, we're talking about
Jeremy Lesniak (01:00:27.544)
Sure. Well, it must have been. mean, the show, we started the show 10 years ago.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:00:48.066)
back in the woods quietly because some people, a person might get offended by certain things and then it becomes violent.
And my whole thing is I'm not wanting to get into violence again. Not that way, not having bodies, not, no. If I'm stuttering, yeah, no, no violence. The African martial sciences has been around as long as the continent has been. There's been fighting systems. There's just...
no way around it. The reason, I'm gonna, this is what I researched and what I found out.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:01:48.216)
The reason that...
The media, when they started doing the movies, the karate movies and stuff, they did not use Japanese people in the movies.
They used Chinese or Hispanic or whatever. And the reason was because of World War II and because of the bombing in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This is why Bruce Lee used the Japanese weapon. That's a Japanese weapon. It is not a Chinese weapon in no way, shape, fashion, or form. Right.
Jeremy Lesniak (01:02:34.868)
You're talking about Nunchaku.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:02:37.536)
So, meet again, media can bring information that isn't quite correct. I shared with a gentleman at a competition. He said, how did you know that? I said, because it's in the books. It's in it's in books and you just gotta look for it.
Going back to Peter Urban, Peter Urban used the concept of knowing your history in his teachings. I've been on a couple podcasts and stuff and they were all Japanese instructors. And I asked the question, could a person who's not Japanese ever reach
the ultimate level of being someone who's revered as a Japanese instructor. In other words, could a chicken ever reach the level of a duck?
No, can't do it. It's a bloodline thing. It just is. And there's nothing wrong with that. Not a thing. People say, well, can look. No, not quite. It's a tribal thing. And we have to look at these. And the Japanese instructors said, no, it won't happen.
I was like, okay. And somebody said to me, well, that's racist. That's prejudice. I said, no, no, it's not. It's understanding your system. What's the movie? Independence Day?
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:04:38.872)
When the Martians or whoever decide to come back, right, we're all gonna have to work together because we all have different skills and talents. And communication is so important, therefore they use Morris Code. It wasn't verbal.
So you have drums, you have all kinds of things, but combat, a punch is a punch. A punch, you don't have a Japanese punch or a Chinese punch or an F. A punch upside your head in your lips is a punch or a kick. It just is. And then you have blood. No one technique is better than the other. The technique is
how you impact your opponent. That's what makes it good. Self preservation, right? Remember we talked about that? I can make somebody look. And then after I make them look, I'ma get you, you ready? You sure? I can make them look and react.
Jeremy Lesniak (01:05:42.316)
Yeah.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:05:56.964)
You see what I just did? Okay? And when they look and when they react, you mind.
out this chess strategy. You can do those pretty kicks and all like that. Okay, I'm gonna do this. I'm running my mouth.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:06:22.564)
Madison Square Garden, felt for them, 19, 1979. Okay. Okay. They got me in some fight up there. I mean, I still have the thing. I've never seen a woman that big in my life because women did not have weight class back then. You.
Got who you got.
I stepped in the ring and said, oh my God, she was huge. I was like, oh my goodness. I was very tiny then. And my instructor said, just do the best you can. Just do the best you can. I say, really?
I get out there and I had pretty kick the kick the flash flash speed or like this. It's called the Suzuki punch. Am I saying that correctly? Suzuki. It's a Japanese punch that goes in and it turns. Well, she hit me in my breasts and I went from a size 38 C
Jeremy Lesniak (01:07:39.758)
Amen.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:07:47.246)
to a 32A.
Jeremy Lesniak (01:07:53.378)
Yeah.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:07:56.748)
I dropped to my knees. I couldn't breathe. I was like, my God, what am I going to do? I can't move. And she said, I said, I don't want to stand up. I don't want to get up. I want to stay right here. I want to roll over to the side. My instructor said, look, either you stand up or when we get you back, we're going to laugh at you.
ever because the look on your face was funny. I said, well, I may not win, but I'm damn sure we're going to stand up. I stood up. Thank God the clock was right. There was a few flicks and it was done. I saw her years later and she said, I had to show you my techniques. Y'all don't have them.
I say I will remember that forever. We had lunch, we had a great conversation and you know who else is fabulous? Well, really, I mean, you have Linda Denley, Arlene Lamas. Linda and I were at an event. They only gave us, they were gonna give us one third of the money that they were gonna give the guys.
I was like, what's this mess? So we decided we ain't fighting, just here, split the money and that's it. Arlene Lamas, she got to go to the Olympics and it wasn't easy. Women were not looked at. And even back further, women had to fight in the men's division. There were no women's division. Weapons always went in the men's division.
They didn't have it. So as we move forward, now we have women's division, weight division. We didn't have that back then. So you knew what you were getting into when you got into it. Now we have head gear, hand gear, feet gear, all kinds of gear. And I have an issue with that because God forbid you ever get hit in the street.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:10:22.818)
and you're used to having all that on, you're hurt.
Jeremy Lesniak (01:10:26.67)
Yeah, my instructors always said, would you rather your first time getting hit for real be out on the street? The first time you get into it, some kind of, no, no. So we did both. But a lot of schools, you're right, a lot of schools only wear gear.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:10:39.714)
You have to do that, only wear gear. So, and it worries me, you know, with that. If you're going to do football, okay, you wear, you get hit. Basketball, now they're getting hit. You know, I'm seeing that. But the African martial sciences, there's no gear.
Jeremy Lesniak (01:10:57.902)
Mmm.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:11:09.058)
No gear ever, ever. I respect those who do Muay Thai because you ain't kicking me in my legs. No, no, you're not doing that. I like my body, you know, one piece. So we have all of these. How can I say this?
Guns, if I can throw this in there and I know I'm running my mouth. okay, don't be afraid, okay. Guns, okay. For cowards. If I can see war or something like that.
Jeremy Lesniak (01:11:44.654)
This is your time. We're going to start to wrap in a little bit. Don't be afraid to stir in the pot.
Jeremy Lesniak (01:11:59.982)
Hmm.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:12:04.654)
But I'm talking, our young people now, and I work with these young people and because of the media and all this, they have these guns and they go and they just shoot some. No, that's a coward. That's a coward. You get out there and you fight that person, hand to hand, we'll put you back together. But you don't run up in a group of people and just shoot guns. You don't do that. That's wrong. I do a lot of gun disarmament.
I train with that. And I went to some event and I, this guy came out, what are you gonna do? And I heard him, I twisted, I didn't mean to hurt him with his arm, but it was seeing that.
you want to let me show you what can happen. You might have it. Now ask me if I would ever use a Would I?
Jeremy Lesniak (01:13:06.368)
I'm going to guess only if there was no other option.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:13:09.668)
And what's it mean? On the street, I maim or I kill. I do one or two on the street. I have a recurve to make my little squirrels act like they know. Y'all see this? Right? You you've been stabbing the trees, stay out of my trash can. You know. So there are, now I haven't shot and I shoot past them.
squirrel. Right. The raccoon almost
you know, I'm terrible aren't
Jeremy Lesniak (01:13:49.794)
think so at all. Where do you live? Okay. Okay.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:13:51.754)
South Carolina, Columbia, South Carolina. And I've been blessed. have lots of land and the animals and the squirrels. I had a dog run at me one time and I kicked him and he stepped back and he looked at me like, how's this old lady kicked me like that? And he turned around and just.
just walked off, right? You know, like maybe, maybe that's not what I want to do right now. Your opportunity. This podcast is something I'm grateful for. And to say things that, how can I, how can I put this? The great people.
Leo Tee Fong. I was blessed to work with him for four days. And he's a funny guy. He's funny. Huh? yeah. Yes, yes. And I have, we had our dinner together and ultimate fighting champion, first one.
Jeremy Lesniak (01:14:59.406)
great things about him. I've heard nothing but great things about
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:15:14.008)
He was there. my gosh, what was his name? That's a shame, I'm getting older. So I've worked with the people who made things happen. That's been the blessing. You notice I haven't mentioned some people and that's okay. All right. Any question you wanna ask me about anything in particular before we...
Jeremy Lesniak (01:15:33.89)
You, that's okay.
It's okay.
Jeremy Lesniak (01:15:44.642)
Just one. Would you do any of it different?
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:15:48.983)
Okay.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:15:54.764)
Yes. Yes, I would. that's who I was thinking. I'm sorry. Dan Severn. he's excellent person. Great, great, great person. Okay. I would not have made my children.
Jeremy Lesniak (01:16:02.286)
Mmm.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:16:15.716)
what do call that? Be a part of train. Cause they trained till they were 16. And then, mom, I want to do basketball. I want to, I don't want to do that. I would not have forced them into what I do. I wouldn't do that. Cause I mean, it was okay, but not what they wanted to do at the time. I would, um,
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:16:48.452)
started writing a little sooner. Now I'm trying to hurry up and write, make sure all the stuff I ran my mouth, make sure it's down and written. Who else? I would work with women more.
Even though every now and then I'll do a women's class, about 95 % of my training has been with men.
My team is all guys. And I feel I don't like to see a woman have to, because I was like that. No, I would like to be a little more genteel. So those would be the things I would do differently.
You know, but I've had a hell of a time. It's been fun. It really has. I got to travel and see all that kind of stuff. And yeah, it's been fun. It's been a good, good time. Huh? I'm not, no, I just competed not too long ago. Cookie Melendez had her competition. I went there in Lang City. Alan Goldberg, I...
Jeremy Lesniak (01:18:04.514)
And you're not done.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:18:20.92)
go up there and hang out there and yeah and they said darn old lady can still kick. I said yeah tell you something.
Jeremy Lesniak (01:18:31.266)
If keep doing it, you can keep doing it.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:18:32.516)
keep doing it. That's right. But I appreciate I how can I say this?
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:18:45.272)
Back in the day when there wasn't anything like this and all we had were film, you take the VHS tapes and all that. This is the blessing as long as it can be positive and help people. That's all I ask. That people don't put things up there that's negative.
Jeremy Lesniak (01:19:11.438)
We work hard to stay positive with everything that we do because just because it's different doesn't mean it's bad. In fact, I think the differences are the best part because it gives us something to talk about. If we all did the same thing for the same reason, that'd be a really boring world.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:19:13.43)
And I see, I see.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:19:19.403)
Right.
Right.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:19:26.762)
I'm telling you, the Martians would get us independence then. We wouldn't survive.
Jeremy Lesniak (01:19:33.226)
They still might. They still might, but not today.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:19:35.702)
Not today. Right. Right. Okay.
Jeremy Lesniak (01:19:38.702)
I am gonna have you close this up in just a moment, before that, you've talked about some of these writings, these things you're working on. Do you have a website or ways for people to stay up? Social media? Do you do anything like that?
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:19:41.815)
Okay.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:19:48.15)
No, not anymore. what I do social media, we have the older YouTubes, but what I will do for you through your, we will, I will get you a copy of the manuscript and a few other things so you can have it.
Jeremy Lesniak (01:20:06.575)
thank you.
that'd be great. I appreciate that. Because I'm sure I'm not the only one that's interested. as you do finish things, make sure that you let us know so we can let the audience know about the cool stuff that you're doing, getting all this documented.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:20:10.816)
you know, because you
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:20:16.985)
I will.
I definitely will. Right, you know, and they can go and they can see me all dressed up. Do you know why people put that paint on? They put it on so you don't marry your brother, your sister in Africa. That's their markings. That's tattoos. I got tattoos. Right? Yeah. And this, very quickly. This sign here, this,
is people have, it's called an Ankh, but well, can we, we're gonna adjust the name just a little bit, just a little bit, rather than Egypt, which is Greece, Greek, we're gonna say Kemet. Kemet was the name before the Greeks got there. And everyone, this, what's his name? Alexander,
Jeremy Lesniak (01:20:56.071)
I know that as an Egyptian symbol.
Jeremy Lesniak (01:21:02.382)
Okay, sure.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:21:19.276)
not Alexander, Emperor Constantine. He had a problem with symbols. This is the female womb. This is the phallus. And if you put it together, you get a baby or life. This is a symbol of life. Now, Constantine, who was a businessman who wanted to control everything, which is why all the holidays are together, he closed off the top.
And that's where we get the cross from in as a symbol. He didn't want women to have any thing. That's what he did. But anyway, so just let me know what should I do?
Jeremy Lesniak (01:22:06.19)
In a moment, I'm going to have you give the audience some final words because I do want them to hear you last. So I'm going to say a couple things now. Just a reminder to everybody out there. Share the show. Share this show. Share this episode. bet you know half a dozen people that would be mad if they didn't get the chance to check out this episode because you didn't share it with them. So please do sign up for the email list at whistlekick martial arts radio dot com. There's a link at the top.
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Germon Moriniere Bey (01:23:05.461)
Okay.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:23:10.464)
if we go back to the story of the Little Mermaid.
She gave up her nature for something that she believed she wanted. Never give up your nature. Ever. Even if that thing looks good on the other side, what you and who you are born as is your nature. Don't follow the crowd.
Germon Moriniere Bey (01:23:46.852)
Keep your fin. Don't worry about the legs. Swimming is better.