Episode 653 - Rapid Fire Q&A #8

In this episode, Jeremy and co-host Andrew Adams take on another iteration of the Rapid Fire Question and Answers.

Rapid Fire Q&A #8 - Episode 653

Jeremy and co-host Andrew Adams tackle a series of questions from you, the listeners, in the form of a Rapid Fire Q&A. Here are the questions they tried to answer:

  • At what rank do you start teaching more in-depth meanings and multiple applications of even a basic technique?

  • When can you allow a student to tell you they have reached their physical-mental limit and when does an instructor push the student to go for one more time?

  • Should you require breaking as a testing requirement?

  • What is the best martial arts podcast and why is it Martial Thoughts?

After listening and answering these questions, it would be exciting to know what are your thoughts about it. Don’t forget to drop them in the comment section below!

Show Transcript

You can read the transcript below.

Jeremy Lesniak: 

What's going on everybody, welcome you are watching or listening to whistlekick Martial Arts Radio. We're back with another of our Q & A episodes. So, a lot is going on here that I don't know about. You don't know the format of this show will stick around. We have a lot of fun. And actually, we've got some new stuff that we're doing starting today. So, I hope you enjoy it. Now. This is your first entry into our show. Wow, you picked a weird one. But that's going to be fun. Yeah, nothing wrong. It's just not typically what we do. What do we do most of the time? Well, Mondays we're usually interviewing someone, I'm interviewing someone. Thursdays, we're usually doing a topic driven episode. Andrew joins me on most of those Thursday episodes. Hi, how are you? 

Andrew Adams: 

I'm great. How are you? I'm wonderful.  

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Awesome. Yay. If you want to go deep, see all the things we got going on. Go to whistlekick.com, find the store, grab something, help support us, use the code, PODCAST15, save 15% and see all the other stuff that we're doing. You want to go deeper on this show. whistlekickmartialartsradio.com. Check out the transcripts, the links, the videos, the photos, sign up for the newsletter, look at all the other things we've ever done. Make a suggestion for a guest or topic. Lots of things there. Now, before I forget, if you have a question that you want to incorporate into the next Q & A, you don't send those to me. It's like the one thing you don't send me you send it to this guy over here. Andrew at whistlekickmartialartsradio.com Because the fun thing about these Q & A is, I don't know the Q's. I just go. I just give you the A's right aways. Okay, you're not a slogan. We're going to use it for the show.  

Andrew Adams:  

Not anytime soon. 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Can you tell this is all impromptu. Anything else that we got to tell him?  

Andrew Adams:  

No, I don't think so.  

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Okay, we're going to give you some other stuff in between slightly new formats today. We're trying to leave. We're always trying things as you should be as martial artists always. How do we get better? And that's what we're dealing with today's episode. So, we're going to find out on the other end. If you like what we did today, let us know if you didn't let us know. Just be nice. Alright. 

Andrew Adams:  

So, first thing, everybody, I've got this. I've got this clock right here. So, we're going to use this to time Jeremy on his questions. Okay. So that we're only going to give you five minutes, I'm going to contemplate giving you slightly less time each time. Because you're getting quicker. I'm really good at what I do. 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

All right, efficient. 

Andrew Adams:  

So, you should be okay with less time. 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

If you can be one thing, you should be efficient. 

Andrew Adams:  

Alright, so question number one. Okay. comes in from Matt nature. Okay. His question is, at what rank do you stop teaching a low block is a low block, for example, and start teaching more in-depth meanings and multiple applications of even a basic technique. 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Okay, so, um, we're in video, so let's show that. So, if you wouldn't mind, I will look at the phone. Okay. Are we timing?  

Andrew Adams:  

I mean, I was going to start the timer.  

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Okay. Put the phone down.  

Andrew Adams:  

Okay. Yeah. Okay.  

Jeremy Lesniak:  

We've got enough vision coming in. Yeah, you can do it just from sitting there. Just throw that hand in. Yep. Okay, cool. So, what Matt's talking about for people who may not know, because we might have some low rights watching checks, right? We're used to low blocks, right? Up, down? Or maybe if it's Taekwondo, you know, there's a cross or I'm sure there's some other variation. What Matt's talking about is that in a lot of martial arts systems, it becomes right, so that the initial hand that's out there that we're taught is for retraction actually becomes the block or whatever. And this hand that's the block becomes something else, whether you know, I'm striking the inside of the elbow, not that I would be low blocking a punch, but you know, to the knee or whatever. So, I just wanted to make sure people knew that that's what we're talking about. So, Matt's question, how do we start teaching that? It depends? It really depends on the curriculum. Like, I could totally see an advantage to teaching like middle ranks this stuff, I can also see some advantage based on my time learning some Filipino Martial Arts, where the fundamental block protocol is brush grab strike is whole. That whole structure, isn't that difficult to understand? So, the idea is, right, there's a benefit there. But I don't think there's enough benefit that you wait till somebody like a first second 40 degree black belt before you teach it. It depends on the goals of the system and how you put all these pieces together. Because if you teach somebody white belt, low block, low block, low block, low block and the yellow belt, you know, six months later, okay? Don't do that. Now you're thrown for a loop. If you're going to teach somebody something, anything, you have to give them enough time to derive the benefit from it. 

Andrew Adams:  

Okay, interesting. I tend to have the low block, be just a low block for the very, very beginner is the first time they see it. I don't incorporate. You know, as an example, one that I have used is someone grabbing your lapel, and you're reaching up, and you're pulling it off, you're stripping it off, right? There's your low block. I don't, for super, super beginners, I don't try and get into a lot of here's five different applications for low block. I started out at one and once they've been there a number of months, then I might kind of start to break that off. But I certainly don't wait until there, you know, a high level, you know, brown belt type. 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

You know, what you find in most karate schools, and even most, most martial art schools that teach those really structured blocks are what we're doing with time now. The deeper they get in their rank progression, the closer everything becomes shootout. Yeah, right, it becomes a lot of Openhand [00:06:15-00:06:16]. And it is essentially what I was taught as that brush, grab strike, little martial arts stuff. I don't know if that stuff exists in, you know, Indonesian martial arts. I don't claim to know every martial art, right? So, if I'm applying that concept, don't worry about it. But the deeper someone gets, you know, if you and I were to spar right now, I'm not doing these, I'm doing this right. All really small moments saw, you know, and I'm just kind of getting things out of the way. And it looks like this exactly is very similar that I would expect you would be the same. Yeah, most people the more time they spend training, that's where they end up. So, I don't think it is wrong. But I'm going to come back if you're going to teach someone hide lock, outside forum lock, right? If you're going to teach these concepts. Just make sure they have enough time to derive the benefit from and use, the instructor should know what the benefit is, if you can't explain why they're doing it, then either you need to go back to the drawing board for yourself, or you need to go back to the drawing board for them. 

Andrew Adams:  

Yeah. All right. Good answer. Good answer. So, what's interesting is we're because we're on video, we're able to show these techniques. Another way you can, and this could be a great thing to think about for the Patreon, you could do some videos on some of these alternate uses for which, you know, Patreon is something that people could kind of help us out with.  

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Absolutely, patreon.com/whistlekick. One of the things that maybe you and I will start doing is getting together as recording some video for Patreon. Yeah, that'd be great. And even though we're committed to doing one video a month, there's no reason we can't do more, you know, especially if when we record something like this, we were able to go deeper. And actually, you know, let's do that. Yeah, when we're done here, it'll take us five minutes, just to show a few things where we got plenty. 

Andrew Adams:  

Here you go, so you got a first glimpse as to what we might do in the future Patreon. 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Other things that are going on the Patreon, we do every two weeks or so. I do a behind the scenes post, like who hears who we've recorded with, but it's not live yet. And we are hoping too. That's too many. We're hoping to record it soon. So, if you really like the show, you want to know what's coming. It's the only way you're going to find out it's limited. Yeah, to Patreon. 

Andrew Adams:  

We don't tell anybody in the world. Our Patreon subscribers got to know that Cynthia Rothrock was coming on long before everybody else. 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Pretty cool. It was pretty cool. Yeah, video audio, there's lots of good stuff going on there, on the Patreon when you do that, because not only do we get free merch, you know, no matter what tier even the $2 a month tier gets free stickers. So, like, we're not making a ton of money on this, like everything else. But the goal here is that yeah, we make a little bit of money on the Patreon but one you stick around you get value three, hopefully you put that sticker on something, wear that shirt and, you know, maybe we get somebody else paying attention to what we're doing. Patreon.com/whistlekick. 

Andrew Adams:  

All right, ready for question number two, ready for number two? All right, this question. I'm going to skip that one because that's another one from Matt. We're going to do one from his wife, Jenny. Okay, Jenny. When can you allow a student to tell you they have reached their physical, mental, emotional limit? And when do you, as an instructor and mentor, push the student to go for one more time? 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

That is an amazing question. Okay. Digesting. 

Andrew Adams:  

Okay, five minutes 11:11. 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

So, students should be able to say that at any time, if you have a culture where they're not allowed to say that bad things happen, so they have to be allowed to say it. But it doesn't mean you have to relent to the request. Because of your job as an instructor, we did the episode on instructor versus coach versus was the third one, instructor, coach, mentor, mentor. All of those people help you get better. But when I think of instructor coaches, when I think of the best martial arts instructors I've had, they've had that coach attribute where they help you go beyond yourself, where you are able to do more than you thought you could, because they start to see what you're capable of. They believe in you. And they tell you, they believe in you. I have had points in time where I've thought I was at length. They've happened as recently as this year.  There were points in time.  

Many of you who know what's going on with me personally this year knows that the hardest year of my life isn't a rough year. And there were times I was like... So, I have a Google home, several of them. And that was the one in the bathroom. If there's one right there. There's one on the other side of that wall, there's one over there, this is taking my time I hate you. Okay. It is rare that we are actually at our maximum. When we're talking about physical exertion, your body will shut down before you reach it. Our bodies are really good at keeping us alive. Trying to stop breathing doesn't work. If you're really good at not breathing, you're going to pass out and your body will start breathing again. Right? Like it's really hard to hurt yourself. Pushing the maximum there are some things that happen. They're rare, it's when someone poses this question, or this request, I'm at my house, how did she turn it? 

Andrew Adams:  

When a student tells you they've reached their physical, mental or emotional limit. 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Okay. I have not experienced students saying that they have reached their mental limit, or their emotional limit very often. Now, one of the things I know is that if I'm training for about an hour to hour and a half, and I'm working on material that is newer or uncomfortable to me, for example, when I'm working on SuperFoot stuff, I start to tap out on conceptual material. Usually about an hour in if Terry's working with Paul and I it's usually how it goes Terry, carry on working with Paul, hold on. If the three of us are working together Terry's teaching us and he's giving us new drills and new material, it's about an hour in, I'm like, okay, my brain is full. So, we're going to have new things that aren't brain, it doesn't mean I can't keep training, but I haven't outside of that.  

That's a rare thing I've heard students say, because there usually isn't that much brand-new material in a martial art school unless you're really new. And if you're really new, then it's all overwhelming and you probably don't even notice anything. Yeah. So, when you're talking about it, let's talk about the physical part. If the student says I have reached my physical maximum dial back for them. If you know them really well, you can make the judgment call. The less you know them, the more you have to acquiesce, yeah, for their own safety. But if they say I've reached my limit, okay, let's go slower, you do this less. And then after five minutes that you're like, guess you weren't at your limit? Right? And you start to build trust from them. Hey, I went over time for the first time in like forever. 

Andrew Adams:  

No, you haven't you still got one minute 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Oh, sweet. Okay. Over time, they start to build more trust in you. So, when you say, when they say I can't do more and you say yes you can, they believe you and they do more. Yep. And then it's a self-fulfilling prophecy where they become more confident in using an instructor and themselves with their own skill.  

Andrew Adams:  

It's too easy for you as for the person to just say I quit. I can't do it anymore. I think our goal as the instructor coach is to, if you can't, if you feel you can't do this thing, well, let's just back off a little bit rather than stopping. 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Remember, most people don't have difficult lives, most people do not have much physical exertion in their life, to the point where you listen to personal trainers talk about coaching someone through lifting weights, and if they've never done it before, the sensation of strain within the muscles, they describe as being painful. If you've lifted weights, you know what I'm talking about? It's not painful, it's uncomfortable. Yeah. But if it's a new sensation, the only frame of reference you have is it's painful. A lot of people stepping into martial arts classes especially as an adult, do not understand and even kids now two kids do not run out in the woods and play and bicycle and come home and dark the way they did when we were kids. So that physical exertion that we may take for granted as adults and understanding of our own bodies may be unfamiliar to them.  

Andrew Adams:  

Good. Nice. Awesome. Okay.  

Jeremy Lesniak:  

I want to talk about the flexibility program. Yeah, and I want to talk about it because it's been crushing. So, for those of you who don't know, we've got a number of programs you go whistlekickprograms.com to get them we've got a strength building program, which we rebranded as force, we've got a cardiovascular conditioning program, which we rebranded as fuel. We've got our speed development program, which we rebranded as fast. And then we've got our flexibility program, which is what led the whole rebrand because it was called Flex. And I said all let's do some fun puzzle pieces. If you see, the graphics are kind of neat. I think those fell out of my brain; I didn't do file size. But we launched the FLEX program for free, because there are a lot of flexibility programs out there. And a lot of them are junk. And instead of stepping into that space and saying, no, buy ours, it's better. I stepped in and said, buy whatever you want. But here's a free one.  

It is the one that is the most scientifically driven. It is the one that I am most confident in the results. And the irony is, sadly, people are going to grab it, because it's free, but they're not going to do it. Because they're going to open it and they're going to expect some kind of revolutionary approach. And it's not like everything else we do. It was evolutionary, you know, we take what has been established, we apply scientific principles, and we give you the best bang for the buck, for moving forward. We had a lot of this when we launched the force program that people started doing, and they're like, oh, they didn't stick with it. Yeah, because unfortunately, people don't stick with programs. And that's part of why we did this one for free, because we wanted the people who are willing to stick with the thing and have the drive to really get better to say, oh, I did this program, and it works. Let's see what else they have. So, you can get that FLEX program. whistlekickprograms.com. And I want to know what you think of the puzzle piece graphics. I like it, it looks good.  

Jeremy Lesniak:  

I thought they were fun. Yeah.  

Andrew Adams:  

Alright, ready for question number three? 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Question three. 

Andrew Adams:  

All right. Another question from Matt. 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Why are the neighbors dominating the Q & A?  

Andrew Adams:  

Because they sent in a crapload of questions.  

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Is the fourth one going to be from them? Shall we call this Q & A [00:18:35-00:18:36] 

Andrew Adams:  

No, no.  

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Okay. Just reminder, Andrewwhistlekick@martialartsradio.com 

Andrew Adams:  

And I can read your name on the air. Ah, okay. 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Or if you don't want him to, you can tell not to anyone. That's true, right? You don't have to be public about this. Alright. 

Andrew Adams:  

So, should you require braking as a testing requirement? If so, when should you introduce braking as a testing requirement for students? 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Okay. My feelings on braking have changed many times over the course of my martial arts career. Initially, braking was something that I saw as an aspect of training, like forms, or self-defense or fighting or weapons, it was a thing you could train and most versatile martial artists did some of it. Some people specialized in it, but it wasn't required. Growing up most of our breaking was like, it was very rare, because who's buying the wood? Right like you've got a big school buying Woods expensive, you know, roughly a buck a board. So, you want everybody to break five boards and you got 20 kids in class, there's 100 bucks, probably didn't make 100 bucks on that class. So, it's kind of a losing proposition. I then trained in a bunch of arts that did nothing with breaking a bunch of schools and even styles like the couple air school, it was great. We didn't, it wasn't even part of the conversation. And then I started trading taekwondo. And my instructor loves my Taekwondo instructor, loves breaking, absolutely loves breaking. To the point where he's very proud, he's shorter than I got a couple pounds on me, not a tom. When he used to compete, he would break with a roundhouse turning kick in step on top of the five boards, no spacers. Wow. He's a little crazy. He would also describe himself as a little crazy. They're playing stories I could tell you.  

And because he has that love for breaking, we did break more. And we talked more about breaking. And I think there are a number of things I saw such that I'm not going to say breaking is required. But I think it is a very, very good thing. For example, take a kid who's just started martial arts. They have no idea what they're doing, why they're doing it, how it works. But you take a really cheap board, even breakable board, and you get to put their foot through it. And all of a sudden, dots connect. Yeah, they're excited. They feel accomplished. And it helps to start lining up biomechanics. You can say the same thing about an adult. They learned to put their elbow or foot or fist or whatever, through the board, they feel accomplished. They have something tangible that they can point to and say, oh, because I did this, this happened. That's really valuable. Further, I've come to believe that the majority of martial artists think that they're going to punch their attacker in the head with a closed fist. And it's going to be fine. Yeah, if you have never put your fist through a single board, or even worse, you did, and you went out, that really hurts. Um, the skulls are pretty hard.  

So, I think there's an aspect of self-defense and conditioning training. Now, if it's going to be required, it should be taught all the way up through anything that you're requiring of people in a black belt exam, or whatever the equivalent is, should be so important that some aspect of it is institutionalized from day one, for example, conditioning, if conditioning is an important part of your black belt exam, you should have conditioning as part of every class. If you don't, you are sending mixed messages. If braking is something that you want your black belt students to do beyond basic proficiency is something that should happen probably monthly at a martial art school. 

Andrew Adams:  

That makes sense. Yeah. I've never been an advocate of I guess I was going to make a statement that I was going to then disagree with. So, I do agree that if it's going to be something that is going to be an integral part of the test, it shouldn't be something that they see that day. 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Now, there is something to be said for surprising people. But when you're talking about something like that, injury can occur from lack of experience. I think that's the wrong time to spring it on them. 

Andrew Adams:  

What are your thoughts between a wooden board and the regrettable? 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

They both have their place? If I was going to work technique, because I'm trying to move up from let's say, five boards to six boards. I'm not going to go through $100 in one day, practicing that. I'm going to use a stack of breakable boards and get really good at dialing that in. And I'm going to work both angles. Yeah. Just like if you're trying to be a great fighter. You know, with any ruleset you're working technique, you're working cardiovascular conditioning, you're working strength, you're working flexibility, right? Like a good martial artist works a bunch of different things. If you want to be really good at breaking your work, break in a bunch of different ways, using different stimuli. Awesome. Yeah, that was good pitch. How many minutes was that?  

Andrew Adams:  

Well, we've added some, but that was about five. 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Okay, that was good. I don't get penalized for your...  

Andrew Adams:  

No, you don't.  

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Okay. Awesome. Okay. So, one of the things that we're going to start doing, it's a little new. I like new things. New things are usually pretty good. Yeah, one of the things I've long asked people to do is to leave reviews. And people used to leave reviews, because it was really easy. It's not as easy anymore, any of the podcast review platforms, it's not quite as simple. So, we've decided, Andrew didn't disagree. It's a good idea, we are going to encourage you to leave reviews by offering you an incentive. Every time we do one of these Q & A episodes, I'm going to pull a review. From the last time we did one of these Q & A episodes. If there are multiple, it'll be random. And we're going to read it there. I'm going to read it here. And then that person, if they hear this episode in the next, let's be reasonable. I don't want to put a hard limit on it. But you know, if you email me like three years from now, go. But email me, they give you a $20 gift certificate to whistlekick.com, for free for you. Taking your time and leaving these reviews.  

We're going to start with Apple podcasts. For now. It's just going to be an Apple podcast. Because most podcasts listening happens on Apple devices. It is the most established podcast platform. That's where we're going to start. Over time, we will roll these out. So, if you've left a review on an Apple podcast, you're like, oh, I'm missing out. Don't worry. As we roll out the next ones, you will get plenty of opportunities. There's lots of ways you can leave reviews. So, this review comes from the hot. And I love when we get these. I've had a few of these over the years. These are my favorite bits of feedback. And I've gotten emails like this. I'm back in martial arts. And this podcast is a big reason. I've been waiting. Sorry, I've been wanting to get back into the martial arts for over 15 years. But I'm finally back in a big part is Jeremy's responsiveness to emails that helped me guide into the right topics in the podcast. And by having inspiring conversations that pushed my passion to make the jump. He's a great influencer in the martial arts. And I can't wait to listen for years to come. Thank you.  

Thank you, you should email me, Jeremy@whistlekick.com. I'll get you the gift certificate. And yeah, if you watch sales, and you apply discount codes appropriately, you get a free shirt. So just keep that in mind. Okay. Yeah, so anybody who leaves in Apple podcast review, between now and the next show, he has entered to win one of these. Oh, but Jeremy, one of a whole bunch of people left them like I should game the system. So, I get the best chance. I'm more than open to giving out one at a time. We have an internal metric that I will not tell you what it is. Because I don't want you to get in the system. You'll be able to figure it out over the coming months, where I'm more than willing to give up more than one. More reviews left. The more certificates I give, the more I'll give up. Easy enough.  

Andrew Adams:  

All right. Okay. Are you ready for four?  

Jeremy Lesniak:  

All right.  

Andrew Adams:  

This is not from one of the majors.  

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Are you sure?  

Andrew Adams:  

I'm positive. This comes from a fellow podcaster. Jared Wilson.  

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Marshall thoughts. Yep. If you're not listening to martial arts, you should listen to Jared, does a great job. He's been a great friend, great supporter and is a perfect illustration of how mutual support in the martial arts leads to everyone's benefit. I can't say that I've benefited him but he's absolutely and to show.  

Andrew Adams:  

Alright, well, let's see what you think of his questions. 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Should have held, should have waited till after? 

Andrew Adams:  

Besides whistlekick Martial Arts Radio, what is the best martial arts podcast and why is it Marshall Thoughts? Thank you, Jarred.  

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Okay. I'm going to answer this slightly differently than it was asked because of the way it was. One of the reasons I like podcasts is that there's a low barrier to entry and thus you have any number of subjects available for you to immerse yourself in martial arts of course, being the one at hand. Jared show is different than our show, is different than Ando show is different than everyday martial artist is different than Cafe karate cafe. We've had enough martial arts podcasters on. I'm feeling like I'm missing some of them. I'm sad about that. But it's also why we've talked about this, why we put resources into martialartspodcast.com and shout out to [00:30:14-00:30:15] who's doing it. Like we've got some work that we've got to do. I'm going to work with her. But the goal, for the most part, is if there's an established, active, traditional martial arts podcast, let's get it up there. Let's get some exposure. Let's connect everybody the way Jared and I, Ando and I, Ando and Jared, and Smith, Kung Fu podcast, the way we've all kind of connected and supported each other. Because this show doesn't suffer if I help Jared. Jared show doesn't suffer if he helps me.  

If anything, we help each other grow accordingly. Now, I don't know the order, these are coming out. But earlier today, you recorded an episode on competition. Reconciling competition and cooperation, cooperation, in your martial arts training. It's the same idea here, I could have an unhealthy attitude towards other podcasts and say, I'm not going to acknowledge you, I'm not going to come on your show. Maybe I will go on your show. You're not coming by show. Yeah. And really be negative about it. And honestly, there are people in this space who are like that, I don't associate with them. You're never going to hear me talk about him. Because why? Right? I'm not going to say negative things about somebody. I just rather not say. As I hear other people do better, I get. Here's a great example. When I started this show, as soon as I got acquainted with sensei Ando, and the quality of his presentation, his audio, everything, I was like, I got to step it up, because I loved what he did. Still love what he does. But it gave me something to plan and say, there are some elements in here that I could do better. So, I worked on getting better. Better microphone. How do we do more with video? He is the reason that I started doing 30 episodes without a script. Hmm. Interesting. He and I talked about this. So, what was the heart of the question? Not why in martial arts?  

Andrew Adams:  

What's the best martial arts podcast besides whistlekick Martial Arts Radio, and why isn't martial arts? Jeremy Lesniak:  

The best martial arts podcast is the one that you find most supportive in your martial arts journey. And that is why a martial arts podcast exists. That's why I support other martial arts podcasts because let's be real, the whole business model was looking to get people into and keep them training in the martial arts. If you listen to Martial Thoughts, or watching Fight for a Happier Life, or any of the other podcasts out there, if that works better for you, and keeps you more engaged in your training, and thus, you feel more supported in your martial arts journey? I would rather you listen to that if you only have time for one, I want you to watch or listen to the one that keeps you training. 

Andrew Adams:  

That resonates with you. Yeah, I will never forget one of the martial arts schools that I went to, I moved to New York to a new area, and sent a message to this instructor. And his email response to me was what you would expect, feel free to come by and check out a couple of classes for free. And then he said, if you don't like what you see here, let me know. And I'll be happy to point you in another direction. That might be a school that you like, not. There's no one school or in this case, there is no one podcast that every one of the worlds is going to relate to. And that's okay. 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

We try to do a variety of different things, we're doing it for a week, we're doing everything we can. And we're trying to get as close to 100% as we can, we'll never get to 100%. So instead of fighting for that last whatever, acknowledging that there are other people who do things differently, if you want an in-depth discussion on a philosophical aspect of the martial arts, or a book, Jared, your guy, Jared does amazing episodes with that. And was able to get to the heart of people in a different but just as deep way as I do when I do an interview. But I listened to what he does when he talks to people and I'm like, such a great question. That's such a great insight, right? Like it keeps me going. And I could say that about a number of the martial arts podcasts. I'm not going to go further than those two. The reason when we talk about martial arts podcasts, I bring up those two is because those are the two that have been the most important and what we've done. There is never anything Yeah, they get there's never been Anything I've asked him either of them that they've said. Hey, you want to come on for an episode? Yeah, let's do it. Right. Was it 600 we did three of us?  

Andrew Adams:  

Yeah. 600, yeah.  

Jeremy Lesniak:  

600 the three of us. And that I love that it was so much fun. So, check out Martial Thoughts. Check out martialartspodcast.com. And, yeah, Jared is also a frequent attendee to the first couple. Yep. Does some great stuff. He's getting up early getting ready for school. All right.  

Andrew Adams:  

Okay. Good job.  

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Yeah. That's all we got?  

Andrew Adams:  

That's all we got. That was question number four. 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

I like it. So, remember, tell this guy, questions for next time. Give me more questions. If we get more dialed in on a format, this will probably be a monthly thing. You know, right now we're doing like five to six weeks. But if we get more questions coming in, because this is an easy show to put together, we don't have to think as much.  

Andrew Adams:  

And it can be really fun. Because you can ask questions like Jared did. Clearly, you're allowed to be ridiculous. Who knew? I mean, we talked about how to find a woodchuck. So, you know? If you're a first-time listener to this show, right now, if this is your first episode, you can go back through and listen to other Q and A's where we discussed Jeremy discussing how he would fight a woodchuck. 

Jeremy Lesniak:  

Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah, okay, I'm fine. My brain is really trying to take a hard left here. I'm fighting. You know, if you ever hold up the hill, the horse wants to turn off. That's what I'm doing with my brain right now. So, to recap, Apple podcast reviews, and guess what, you don't need to have an iOS device. You can create an Apple account, and login and review a show. In fact, last I knew you couldn't even do it from a device you had to like. They bounce you all over the place. If you're an apple person, you understand you've got to do it their way. Other things get the FLEX program at whistlekickprograms.com. Don't forget the Patreon, patreon.com/whistle Kick. You want to email me at Jeremywhistlekick.com. Andrew@whistlekick.com, martialartsradio.com Two episodes each week. Social media @whistlekick, discount code. PODCAST15 for 15% off at whistlekick.cOm and newsletter, sign up for the newsletter. There are so many things. Alright. Until next time, train hard, smile, and have a great day. 

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